Ron Heggs Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Masking tape makes a good representation of roofing felt. I used it on a smaller scale on the waiting shelter for Long Preston. I would have thought card of some kind, such as thin mounting board would do for the cladding. Keep up the good work and sorry to hear about the shattering. Jamie Single ply tissue paper can work well to represent roofing felt, the last time I did it on plastcard I just used Mepack to fix it down. If you go down this route it maybe an idea to fit some on the inside as well. Sorry to hear about the shattering, any ideas what may have caused it (to hot to cold Etc.), have you any photos to show what has happened? OzzyO. Using black card for the outer cladding, and white card printed with timber planking on the inside, both fixed to a 40 thou plasticard core. This is then edged with 2mm RSJ styrene extrusion to enable the whole to be fixed to the roof structure. Additional styrene extrusions are used to carry the glazing strips From experience the styrene strip only shatters when using MEK, but only infrequently. Have found no common cause The shattered beams have been dumped along with other household waste in the local disposal skip. If it happens again will post pictures of the damage Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Hi Ron, I have found that MEK varies depending on who manufactures it. The strongest (in that it seems to melt any hard plastic) is sold as Butanone (C&L to stick their ABS chairs to ply timbers), MEK as made by Stevenson of Chesterfield is next in terms of melting power, then MEK-PAK by Slaters, hardly touches C&L chairs and finally EMA Plastic weld. Not sure if this is MEK or not but won't touch ABS. Edited December 17, 2014 by Rowsley17D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Ron, I have found that MEK varies depending on who manufactures it. The strongest (in that it seems to melt any hard plastic) is sold as Butanone (C&L to stick their ABS chairs to ply timbers), MEK as made by Stevenson of Chesterfield is next in terms of melting power, then MEK-PAK by Slaters, hardly touches C&L chairs and finally EMA Plastic weld. Not sure if this is MEK or not but won't touch ABS. I also find Butanone a lot more volatile than Mek-Pak and can really only be used satisfactorily by capillary action (eg fixing chairs to sleepers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Plasticweld is DichloroMethane is OK for Styrene, but not ABS. MEK can be used for both by capillary action. There are definitely variations in styrene extrusions, strips and sheet Can now only obtain MEK in Spain. It's used to clean the joints of uPVC pipe and fittings before using jointing cement Have finished the new tie beams, and they are all fixed in position with no problems Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Ron, I have found that MEK varies depending on who manufactures it. The strongest (in that it seems to melt any hard plastic) is sold as Butanone (C&L to stick their ABS chairs to ply timbers), MEK as made by Stevenson of Chesterfield is next in terms of melting power, then MEK-PAK by Slaters, hardly touches C&L chairs and finally EMA Plastic weld. Not sure if this is MEK or not but won't touch ABS. I found that the more recent batches of Plastic Weld have tended to evaporate faster than previously - barely enough time to spread it on the workpiece before it goes "off". Previously it was a very aggressive solvent, on a par with C&L Butanone. I only ever used one bottle of MekPak, finding it to be quite weak in terms of joining things, but very good for cleaning the insides of car windscreens when soaked into a paper towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 The south gable/transom is now fixed in position, having successfully fixed the new tie braces - ... next paint the new styrene members, and fix the apex vent structures 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2014 Plasticweld is DichloroMethane is OK for Styrene, but not ABS. MEK can be used for both by capillary action. There are definitely variations in styrene extrusions, strips and sheet Can now only obtain MEK in Spain. It's used to clean the joints of uPVC pipe and fittings before using jointing cement Have finished the new tie beams, and they are all fixed in position with no problems Ron The Dichloromethane (plastic weld) which I bought in bulk sticks C&L chairs to ply sleepers/timbers without any trouble. There is a link earlier in this thread that I posted for details of the supplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2014 The south gable/transom is now fixed in position, having successfully fixed the new tie braces - IMG_0928.JPG IMG_0929.JPG IMG_0930.JPG IMG_0931.JPG IMG_0932.JPG IMG_0934.JPG ... next paint the new styrene members, and fix the apex vent structures Craftsmanship/Clever really doesn't do justice to this. Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Craftsmanship/Clever really doesn't do justice to this. You can even see where the plastic has discoloured / aged in different shades, depending on when Ron built it, and how much light exposure it had. A sort of natural weathering on its own.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 You can even see where the plastic has discoloured / aged in different shades, depending on when Ron built it, and how much light exposure it had. A sort of natural weathering on its own.... It's the difference in colour of Halford's Ford Seirra Beige over the years 2006 thro' 2012 I intend to give it a quick blow over with 2012 vintage from the inside. The exterior will be clad, so the difference won't be as easily noticeable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 It's the difference in colour of Halford's Ford Seirra Beige over the years 2006 thro' 2012 I intend to give it a quick blow over with 2012 vintage from the inside. The original was never all one colour! Excellent stuff as ever, Best wishes, Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 The south gable/transom is now fixed in position, having successfully fixed the new tie braces - IMG_0928.JPG IMG_0929.JPG IMG_0930.JPG IMG_0931.JPG IMG_0932.JPG IMG_0934.JPG ... next paint the new styrene members, and fix the apex vent structures Absolutely staggering Ron; any chance of seeing a loco and/or some stock against it to get the scale of it all? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 The roof has been 'blown' with vintage 2012 spray paint, and the first of the cladding placed in its location at the roof eaves. Will fix when all the cladding for one side of the roof is complete Looking South along East Wall Closer view Closer still Looking North along East Wall Closer view External view over cladding 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Absolutely staggering Ron; any chance of seeing a loco and/or some stock against it to get the scale of it all? David Hi, David Will open a few boxes and place a loco and carriages in a suitable location Ron 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2014 ^^ Blimey! How many pigeons are you going to buy? Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ron That looks Awesome. Great workmanship. With the right background(no paint cans), it would look real. Keep up the good work. I have been following this build from the start. Steve aka Ramrig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 ^^ Blimey! How many pigeons are you going to buy? Kev. Don't need to buy any - would only need to ask the local pigeon club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ron Heggs Posted December 19, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2014 Absolutely staggering Ron; any chance of seeing a loco and/or some stock against it to get the scale of it all? David David, here is a quick picture of six Mk1 carriages (in no particular order) and a Britannia loco - the external canopied platform extension would allow at least another five carriages The rolling stock is placed on the platform, as not enough straight track is available yet, and the platform hoist is not in place Ron 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 David, here is a quick picture of six Mk1 carriages (in no particular order) and a Britannia loco - the external canopied platform extension would allow at least another five carriages IMG_0943.JPG The rolling stock is placed on the platform, as not enough straight track is available yet, and the platform hoist is not in place Ron Fantastic thanks Ron; truly amazing feat... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 WOW !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phixer64 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Stunning work Ron, keep it up Regards jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2014 Thats mighty impressive Ron, with the loco and stock one gets the full impact of the size of this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Thats mighty impressive Ron, with the loco and stock one gets the full impact of the size of this project. Thanks It will look a lot more impressive when the external platforms/canopies and trackwork is in place - some months off yet Cheers Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It's ironic that I should come across this topic for the first time today, because exactly 50 years ago, a little after 2pm, I arrived at the real Manchester Central on a "half-day excursion" from London St. Pancras en route to visit the Manchester Model Railway Society's exhibition at the Corn Exchange. I have been an MMRS member ever since, but that, and a similar journey in 1965, were the only occasions that I used the Central station, although I did stay once at the nearby Midland Hotel when it was still in railway (well, BTH) hands. An absolutely superb model. Oh, and that half-day excursion went back from Piccadilly to Marylebone (via Bletchley and High Wycombe), quite a rail-tour for less than £2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Fantastic work Ron, the Brit with six on really shows the size of the train shed. One thing that I'd like to know, what are you going to use for the infill pieces between the roof girders and the walls? Plasicard or etched. OzzyO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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