Karhedron Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Switch to N gauge. Osborns ltd edition D1000 is only just over the £100 mark. http://www.osbornsmodels.com/nd-osb3-osborns-exclusive-Dapol-western-enterprise-d1000-desert-sand-livery-12625-p.asp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I sincerely hope that this is going to be as good as Dapol Dave's efforts are suggesting because I have just received a 'flyer' advising that the Swindon 'Steam' Museum's limited edition of D1000 (in 1961 ex-works desert sand livery) will be £159.99. So did they offer a delivery date in the flyer? Nothing on their website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97403_Ixion Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hi Pete Piszczek, from a call to the museum, they said that it's likely to be around December this year. However, it is all subject to things going smoothly. Osborns Models were advertising their version in N a while back - March I think it was. Hope that helps? Cheers, Ixion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 5, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2011 So did they offer a delivery date in the flyer? Nothing on their website... The flyer just says 'Coming soon'. The accompanying letter says 'Expected delivery time is winter 2011, orders are now being taken.' I doubt they would be prepared to be any more precise than that (if you speak to the right person) in view of the considerable delays they suffered with the 'Castle' and the need in the end to keep 'phoning folk to advise of yet another delay - eventually they gave up quoting a month and got a lot vaguer until they knew the locos were actually in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Must say, looking at the CAD images the Dapol Western is looking good, will probably be better than my Lima rework im currently doing! NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) from a call to the museum, they said that it's likely to be around December this year. However, it is all subject to things going smoothly. The flyer just says 'Coming soon'. The accompanying letter says 'Expected delivery time is winter 2011, orders are now being taken.' Thanks fellows. They are being incredibly optimistic, if Dapol are still tweaking the CAD, and the museum is suggesting in-country in under 4 months! Doesn't the slow boat from china take six weeks? I still haven't seen any Class 22s in my post box... Edited September 10, 2011 by Pete Piszczek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2011 Thanks fellows. They are being incredibly optimistic, if Dapol are still tweaking the CAD, and the museum is suggesting in-country in under 4 months! Doesn't the slow boat from china take six weeks? I still haven't seen any Class 22s in my post box... Quite agree, I'm mentally adding a minimum of 6 months to those sort of estimated dates. Talking to the Bachmann reps at Swindon 'Steam' today they said that the Western RODs are currently in production and are expected 'Noveember/December - so that is a model which has gone through every stage up to and including final livery approval and, providing the boat isn't delayed or diverted, it should be in the shops for Christmas; which again makes me very wary of the promised date for D1000. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Drawings that may be of use at the NRM York: Swindon Roll 457 SL/SW/2209 Window Apertures (Cab front and side window frame sizes, modified as per build) SL/SW/2543 2700HP Diesel Hydraulic Locomotive (Original weight diagram, might be nice box art..) SL/SW/2451 Livery & Spacing Diagram - BR Blue (I get the feeling this drawing wiped out the maroon spec though it does still have the modifications including 27-9-62 "colour of body changed from coach maroon to loco maroon" ) SL/SW/2619 Arrgt. & Details of Engine Room Windows SL/SW/2872 Livery & Spacing Diagram - Desert Sand - D1000 SL/SW/3128 Livery & Spacing Diagram - Locomotive Green - D1002-D1004, D1035-D1038 The following 4 drawings are fascinating as they show the body framework without the skin on much like a wooden aircraft without the fabric covering! SL/SW/2669 Arrangement Of Welded Pads on Upper Frame 'A' End Outer Section SL/SW/2670 Arrangement Of Welded Pads on Upper Frame 'A' End Inner Section SL/SW/2671 Arrangement Of Welded Pads on Upper Frame 'B' End Inner Section SL/SW/2672 Arrangement Of Welded Pads on Upper Frame 'B' End Outer Section Talking of weight diagrams looking nice on a box Swindon Roll 365 57-401A BTC 1000HP DH Locomotive NBL Glasgow 56-654F BR 2000HP DH Locomotive NBL Glasgow Edited September 12, 2011 by craigwelsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2011 Just received advice from Swindon confirming my order for D1000 and also saying 'Latest delivery predictions for information only Western Enterprise is early December.' Without wishing to be ungenerous to all the work that is going into this loco at Dapol I can remember the sort of predictions which emerged from Swindon about delivery dates for a much larger D1000 and just how accurate (not) they turned out to be ... I wonder if nothing has changed in the Swindonian crystal ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted September 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2011 Well - things are certainly moving in Dapol-land. Pop over to the class 22 thread for the evidence. As I understand it the Kernow well tanks are done and dusted, the class 22 is next including the Kernow weathered ones, the Westerns follow that and then the Kernow "six hundreds" though there would likely be other locos in the pipeline as well and production order does not guarantee timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hi everyone, More from Dapol towers, and yes i know the brake rigging is still wrong, but its an improvement. cheers Dave 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 looking very nice indeed Dapol Dave- the wheels in the top picture look smaller in diameter than in the 2nd picture though. Are they going to be slightly underscale to get the loco around train set curves then? Maybe give modellers the options with 2 wheelsets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I actually like the pink-ish shade of the current CAD - will Dapol turn out a special run painted like this for, e.g. Comic Relief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I notice the step/kickplates are now correctly offset from the door - nice. Still wondering why there are so many lines on the centre roof panels, though. There are only nine removable panels, of varying sizes on the real locos. Are these some kind of CAD guide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Hi everyone, More from Dapol towers, and yes i know the brake rigging is still wrong, but its an improvement. cheers Dave That is looking better, but the roof front above the cab is still not quite right. The area around the horn should still follow a curved profile meeting the main roof at a tangent where the first roof panel is located. The cadds model shows a straight line with exagerated curvature at the front. The ledge below the windows should not run parallel to the windows. It is actually slightly curved along the front edge and is closer to the central pillar than the outer edge. The ledge is horizontal in the middle and is only tapered at the out edge, the taper developing as you move away from the centre. The horn cover should be slightly lower at the front than the rear and the engine room vents are still the incorrect shape. See my earlier posting with views of the roof. Looking at the front view, the side skirts appear to be vertical. This is not correct as they taper inwards towards the bottom It is difficult to see from the cadds images, but the nose profile is actually curved in the vertical and axial planes above the headcode panel. This is quite difficult to visualise, so if you wish, I can send you some of my photo's and cadds images illustrating the point. I am not sure looking at the images that the engine room window corner fillets are large enough. The lower part of the cab door should have an outward taper at the base and there is a strip that follows the profile of the top of the door missing. Finally the lower fillet on the body behind the side cab windows is still missing. Otherwise, it is looking very promising in its current state. Regards Mark Humphrys Edited September 20, 2011 by Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Looking good Dave, thanks for posting those new images. I notice the bottom of the front valance is still showing as being horizontal whan as I pointed out further up the thread there is a definite 'vee' dropping down towards the centre. I also agree with Marks comment above about the 'taper' on the valance sides.... it's subtle, but it is there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted September 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2011 Dave - It looks terrific - in fact getting better with every one of your posts. What sort of delivery date are we talking about? - Next year at some point? - Late 2012? Thanks again for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2011 Getting there but please, please, please get rid of the visible rivet heads on the cab window frames on both the side and front windows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I am not sure looking at the images that the engine room window corner fillets are large enough. Official drawing says 1 3/8" inside frame, 1 11/16" outside frame for these though the bodyside metalwork could confuse things. It also shows curved glass actually, 27' 6".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I actually like the pink-ish shade of the current CAD - will Dapol turn out a special run painted like this for, e.g. Comic Relief? I haven't been following all of this, but became aware of the 'special' via an email. I think your idea is far better than Western Enterprise in Desert Sand, which made me feel physically sick when I first saw it on the new loco. It was vile! And I did like the Westerns, they looked very classy compared to the American styled EE and Sulzer locos of the time. Paul Bartlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldlugger Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Hi chaps, Good point and 1 thats not showing up well on the cad/cam. I have been through the previous cad files and it isnt there either which makes me believe it was left off when the scanning transition to cad/cam took place and it was 'smoothed' out. To help matters a bit i have attached a comparison picture betwen the one posted earlier (thats for that) and the cad/cam, scaled to about the same size. Cheers Dave The gap between the top of the driving wheels and the body seems too high in the CAD drawing here, compared to the real loco in the adjacent photo. This is something that always ruins an otherwise lovely looking model. Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) The gap between the top of the driving wheels and the body seems too high in the CAD drawing here, compared to the real loco in the adjacent photo. This is something that always ruins an otherwise lovely looking model. Agreed, I think that the lines I have added below should be at almost the same height. http://www.flickr.com/photos/treflyn/3570496903/in/set-72157606035640594 Edited November 7, 2011 by Karhedron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted November 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2011 This extra clearance may well be necessary for it to negotiate 2nd radius curves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldlugger Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) This extra clearance may well be necessary for it to negotiate 2nd radius curves. I'm not sure why this is necessary for 2nd radius curves? The bogies would still move from side to side freely with a scale gap. It could be to clear wheel flanges? Whatever, it would be a great shame to miss this opportunity to get a Western that at long last looks just right. One other thing (which may not have been mentioned) are brakes in line with the wheel treads on all wheels. To scratch build and retro fit class 52 brakes and brake rods is a nightmare! Cheers Simon Edited November 7, 2011 by oldlugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted November 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm not sure why this is necessary for 2nd radius curves? The bogies would still move from side to side freely with a scale gap. It could be to clear wheel flanges? Cheers Simon That's my guess, although it is only a guess. Do any RtR 00 diesel models actually have scale wheels and ride height? Those I've got/seen (by no means all) either have underscale wheel diameter e.g Hornby Class 50, or increased ride height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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