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http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/a/ashchurch/index32.shtml

 

...look at the buffers on that, makes you wonder if it was physically possible to couple 2 of these 16 tonners together!

Bumping this - I'm sure this was the only 16t wagon so fitted and there was a separate operational instruction relating to its coupling - wagon numbered B229xxx ?

 

I'd be interested to know if this was the case

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Bumping this - I'm sure this was the only 16t wagon so fitted and there was a separate operational instruction relating to its coupling - wagon numbered B229xxx ?

 

I'd be interested to know if this was the case

 

The Continental couplings and drawgear was more comman on these as I remember at the end of their days as ZHV's in a train of 30 or so there would be two or three!

 

The instructions for Continental couplings was a general instruction for all such stock not just the minerals!

 

Mark Saunders

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That was Breydon Viaduct, built by the M&GNR to connect to Yarmouth South Town station and the line to Lowestoft. It had a rotating span, which is open in the picture. The bridge and the line were closed in 1953. The span may have been left open to river traffic after that. The span end and its pier are visible between the adjacent fixed spans.

 

The black(ish) car in the foreground may be a Vauxhall Victor FA (introduced Feb '57). A Mk2 Ford Zephyr/Zodiac and another possible Victor are visible but nothing else easily identifiable as a new design from the later '50s, so I would be inclined to date it to the summer of '57, possibly '58.  

 

If there's an old Wolseley in the picture I might be in it.

 

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The Continental couplings and drawgear was more comman on these as I remember at the end of their days as ZHV's in a train of 30 or so there would be two or three!

 

The instructions for Continental couplings was a general instruction for all such stock not just the minerals!

 

Mark Saunders

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Like this you mean http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/eb3d3949 

 

There are more.

 

It looks like lot 3178 built at Butterley in 1958 had these buffers and couplings from new.

 

Paul

 

PS see the non prototypical whitewall tyres!

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What a wondeful photo of Yarmouth.

Aside from the 16 tonners, I note the following (some of which may be better dated by others?):

 

Breydon viaduct of the M&GN in the background. Closed in 1953, it was demolished 1962.

The Gt.Yarmouth Corporation bus, in the livery with the white flash below the lower windows. Was this later updated?

Renault Dauphine(?) near the roadsign.

Ford Mk2 Consul/Zephyr, post '59?

Possible Late 50's Vauxhall.

Morris (?) van on the bridge, looks late 50s.

 

My bet is 1959 or possibly 1960.

 

Stewart

 

Edit: just found this link (scroll down) which states August 1959

http://www.beltonhistory.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=22&page=3

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Thanks, Mark.

 

I was 13 at the time armed with a very simple camera, hence it's not too good quality. There were a couple of guys painting/fixing minor bits when I took the photos, and they told me they were French, but didn't believe them. I remember Railway Modeller at the time was urging us to take pictures of anything, no matter how mundane - so glad now that I did!

 

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Thanks, Mark.

 

I was 13 at the time armed with a very simple camera, hence it's not too good quality. There were a couple of guys painting/fixing minor bits when I took the photos, and they told me they were French, but didn't believe them. I remember Railway Modeller at the time was urging us to take pictures of anything, no matter how mundane - so glad now that I did!

 

Paul.

 

Paul

 

These two images are in the British Steel collection at Teesside Archives showing the bodies under construction!

 

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post-3578-0-68032300-1446676601.jpg

 

http://www.britishsteelcollection.org.uk/index.

 

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Thanks for posting as this is the first Colour shot I have seen of the British Titan Products conversions from the 1/112 minerals!

 

Mark

 

Ah, I at first thought that they may have been used by the British Transport Police for the storage and transport of bulk quantities of miscreants.

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Ah, I at first thought that they may have been used by the British Transport Police for the storage and transport of bulk quantities of miscreants.

 

These Conversions were used to transport Ilmenite from Immingham Docks to the BTP plant at Pyewipe Road, Grimsby where it was processed for the Titanium Dioxide for white pigment as used in paint (replaced white lead) and toothpaste.

 

The trains ran only when there was a boat at Immingham and the rest of the time would stand idle!

 

The ex MoT/SNCF minerals lasted in traffic till they were replaced by rebodied tank chassis from W H Davis built between 1974 & 78, these wagons were one of the last unfitted wagons in use over BR metals! These had a later life as internal users at BSC Scunthorpe!

 

This is the only shot I have of them in their BSC use!

 

Mark Saunders

 

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The last images in the previous two postings, those at Dowlais, are 'ingot mould' wagons carrying life expired ingot moulds from various steelworks back to the Dowlais foundry for breaking, re melting and casting.

 

Starting with this post there are several posts covering ingots and ingot wagons, both model and prototype.

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/57246-black-country-blues-rolling-stock-workbench/?p=1164245

 

And this link contained within the above post;

 

http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/dowlaisworks_butters_crane.htm

 

Has information and photos about the Dowlais operation.

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What a wondeful photo of Yarmouth.

Aside from the 16 tonners, I note the following (some of which may be better dated by others?):

 

Breydon viaduct of the M&GN in the background. Closed in 1953, it was demolished 1962.

The Gt.Yarmouth Corporation bus, in the livery with the white flash below the lower windows. Was this later updated?

Renault Dauphine(?) near the roadsign.

Ford Mk2 Consul/Zephyr, post '59?

Possible Late 50's Vauxhall.

Morris (?) van on the bridge, looks late 50s.

 

My bet is 1959 or possibly 1960.

 

Stewart

 

Edit: just found this link (scroll down) which states August 1959

http://www.beltonhistory.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=22&page=3

 

Mk II Consul/Zephyr/Zodiacs and BMC Pininfarina Oxford/Cambridge/Magnette etc. received restyling for 1959 models (IIRC I'll check) (mainly to do with tail fins!). Unfortunately I can't quite make them out, but they seem fin free.

 

EDIT Confirmed for the Fords. The Pininfarina models were introduced as 1959 models ie 1958 (with fins) and restyled for 1962 (less fins) with a few more horses, raising the top speed to around 80 mph. Enough considering the brakes were as pathetic as the engines with roadholding to match (cf barge).

 

* Personal experience as ex-owner of both MkII Consul and Wolseley 15/59. My dad had a Riley 4/72 (The twin carbs released a little extra HP, but sluggish was still the operative word!

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Mk II Consul/Zephyr/Zodiacs and BMC Pininfarina Oxford/Cambridge/Magnette etc. received restyling for 1959 models (IIRC I'll check) (mainly to do with tail fins!). Unfortunately I can't quite make them out, but they seem fin free.

 

EDIT Confirmed for the Fords. The Pininfarina models were introduced as 1959 models ie 1958 (with fins) and restyled for 1962 (less fins) with a few more horses, raising the top speed to around 80 mph. Enough considering the brakes were as pathetic as the engines with roadholding to match (cf barge).

 

* Personal experience as ex-owner of both MkII Consul and Wolseley 15/59. My dad had a Riley 4/72 (The twin carbs released a little extra HP, but sluggish was still the operative word!

 

I can confirm the 80 mph capability of later Morris Oxfords. I can also confirm that they will swap ends without hope of recovery if you push your luck on damp roads and crappy remould crossplies. But it was a long time ago and in another country and I'm sure any applicable statute of limitations has expired by now ;).

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I did get 95 on the clock once with my Consul (then legal and it was on a motorway). She was probably bull exaggerating, as I was being followed by a Morris Minor Traveller. The 3 speed box (with floppy column change) did mean she could climb hills quite well, certainly better than the Wolseley. She didn't rot as badly either.

The less said about the Corsair (straight 4) I had afterwards the better, though she was far superior to the 'dog bone' 1100 Escort Estates we had at work....

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