Mark Saunders Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Mine turned up earlier today, initially on openeng they look good, however the opening doors are not hinged; see attached! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The accuracy of the wheel spacing depends on which way you are measuring, “across” or “along”! Gosh - those holes ................. and they've modelled the wheels 2.33mm too close to each other too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Mine turned up earlier today, initially on openeng they look good, however the opening doors are not hinged; see attached! Turbot.JPG Turbot door down.JPG Turbot bogie.JPG The specs never said hinged. It was always shown as removable doors. Nice pics, thanks for sharing....looks stunning and miles ahead of the KMRC one in terms of detail and accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Foden Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2019 Got my rake come through the post today also, had a chance to have a quick look at one, and agree with the general feeling in this thread, Dapol have released a beautiful model here, I'm very pleased. When I get some time in the coming weeks, I might see about taking some brave pills and look to deform a couple of the doors out slightly, as was so common on the prototype. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Picked my 3 Dutch up from the post office this morning. Very nice indeed. One question. 4F-043-006 DB978702 features some very nice steps and handrails at the number panel corners, but should they be there? Looked on Hattons, and it certainly is pictured with them on. But looking at the real thing, the only picture I can find is one in 1984 and it didn’t have steps or handrails back then. Were they added after 1984? Or were they never fitted while the Wagon was in Dutch livery? Many thanks in anticipation. 66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) There was a request for comparison photos of the Dapol and Kernow versions of this model, so here are some covering all aspects based on the 'Dutch' liveried version, the Dapol version is on the left in each picture. It is not a true comparison, as I have already carried out modifications to my Kernow models to rectify some design errors: a) Gap between bogie upper surfaces and chassis reduced by about 1.5 mm, to reduce the excessive buffer height. b) Side truss height reduced by about 2 mm. Overall, to me, the Dapol model is more finely detailed on the sides, inside rendition and certainly the underframe detail is sublime. They have gone to the trouble of moulding the side truss steel work as 'L' bar rather than square section as modelled in the Kernow version. As the Dapol model has a metal chassis or floor, this has allowed them to recess the underfloor planking and represent the centre two chassis bars. I was worried that the removable side doors would mean there were non prototype gaps, but none of it and as yet I haven't sorted out how to remove the doors. The representation of the door springs is much finer than the Kernow version, both on the sides and on the underframe. I've also measured the length of the side truss to the rail parallel section and it measures 9mm, the same as I achieved on my modifications to the Kernow model (these are detailed in the Kernow Turbot thread). The Dapol model is narrower than the Kernow model and I don't know which is correct. Certainly the top reinforcement is thinner on the Dapol model, but that doesn't take account of all the difference, the inside measurement side to side is 1 mm narrower on the Dapol model. There are two possible drawbacks with the Dapol model, the first is the long standard coupling length (they do provide permanent coupler bars as an alternative) and the other is the shade of yellow used on the Dutch livery. It is almost a chromatic yellow and noticeably yellower than the Kernow version and also the colour used by Bachmann and Hornby on their engineer wagons. Edited January 11, 2019 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Dapol one on the left in all images? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Dapol one on the left in all images? Yes, Dapol one is on the left in all. I've edited my earlier post to confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Shame its not a true comparison. Perhaps someone has a Kernow for comparison. Fascinating how much difference there is with a wagon that is readily available for viewing and measuring - apparently up to 17 concerved according to the Vintage carriages site. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Foden Posted January 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2019 Regarding the livery, I agree the yellow is far too garish, but then I also felt that the colour application on the Grampus was ‘off’ too. Fortunately these wagons came in multiple flavours of rust, dust, and general battle scaring that should tone that down nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2019 Picked my 3 Dutch up from the post office this morning. Very nice indeed. One question. 4F-043-006 DB978702 features some very nice steps and handrails at the number panel corners, but should they be there? Looked on Hattons, and it certainly is pictured with them on. But looking at the real thing, the only picture I can find is one in 1984 and it didn’t have steps or handrails back then. Were they added after 1984? Or were they never fitted while the Wagon was in Dutch livery? Many thanks in anticipation. 66738 Steps and handrails were fitted later in life. Early 1990s according to another forum. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Steps and handrails were fitted later in life. Early 1990s according to another forum. Cheers, Mick Many thanks Mick66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Regarding the livery, I agree the yellow is far too garish, but then I also felt that the colour application on the Grampus was ‘off’ too. Fortunately these wagons came in multiple flavours of rust, dust, and general battle scaring that should tone that down nicely. Still a bit of work to but the yellow certainly tones down.66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 838346C6-EF30-493C-A918-6862EEA78794.jpeg Still a bit of work to but the yellow certainly tones down. 66738 Ive got 5 Dapol Turbots heading mg way. Wonder if you could clarify are they are the Dapols or are the rear two Kernows? If they are all Dapol interested what ethos you've used. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Ive got 5 Dapol Turbots heading mg way. Wonder if you could clarify are they are the Dapols or are the rear two Kernows? If they are all Dapol interested what ethos you've used. Thanks They appear to all be the Dapol model, just picked a few up from Hattons and must say I am impressed with them. The underframe is especially well done. The bar coupler brings them a lot closer too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 838346C6-EF30-493C-A918-6862EEA78794.jpeg Still a bit of work to but the yellow certainly tones down. 66738 Just noticed the one in the front appears to have a step and handrail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2019 Looks lovely...I cannot wait to ruin some of these (evil grin!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmiller2008 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just noticed the one in the front appears to have a step and handrail. Only one of the three variants that Dapol has done in dutch has them, the two without are modelled as built in the 80's and the wagons were retro fitted with steps and handrails in the early 90's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob83a Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Some colour variations on the EWS Turbots, Dapol one on the left, Kernow on the right 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Looks lovely...I cannot wait to ruin some of these (evil grin!) Still a lot more to do on it, and no way near your standard but my first stab at weathering a Turbot. Another dutch and one ews one to do, now realise I need to fit the handrails and steps too. Wild Boar Fell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2019 Augers well for the Dapol bolster Es.... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Grrr. yet another model ruined by the need to wear sunglasses - what is it with Dapol and liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SHerr Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2019 I bought 2 Dutch Turbot's yesterday - apparently selling like hot cakes. In line with other comments they generally look excellent with very nice/fine under frame detail. Only 2 minor gripes, firstly is the colour - yellow too bright and to me the grey looks too dark, but both solved with some weathering. Also mentioned above the NEM socket seems to sit a little too forward. Fitted with No 18 Kadee's in unweathered photo and the gap is huge, better once I robbed some no 17's from elsewhere but still fairly large. Overall though well done to Dapol, now just for a OO gauge07 series tamper to compact all that new ballast! First picture the lefthand wagon is a Cambrian kit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2019 I bought a Dutch turbot too today. Agree about the shade of yellow been way off the correct shade for Dutch livery. But otherwise it’s a lovely model. My local shop said the EWS version is selling quicker than Dutch, which is a surprise. The only issue some might have is the bogies. Anyone modelling in P4 or EM will have issues because there is virtually no clearance between the wheelset and side of the bogie frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) I bought 2 Dutch Turbot's yesterday - IMG_2447.jpg All that development . . . . all that investment . . . . and Brio still manage to get better close coupling ! Edited January 13, 2019 by Melly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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