D605Eagle Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Next time I see you Mark, I'll show you a couple of hand painted models that'll make you feel sick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 8, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2012 Nice regional and era spread there then, eh! Quite. But Bachmann does seem keen at present to focus on themes for Scenecraft at least. We've had Art Deco, Great Central and Southern (well Bluebell Railway) buildings. How about a Borders Railway tie-in, which could be timed with the re-opening of the line to Tweedbank. Suitable locos and rolling stock could then follow... As an expert 'CHARD, have you thought about having a quiet word with Dennis Lovett at Bachmann? Seriously... you never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Jol, no offence taken, I understand the point that you're making. I do enjoy building kits and would do more of this if I had time. Time is the primary factor in all this. Another factor that is significant for me personally is that though there are some kits for my area of interest (ScR), many are out of production and rather difficult to find and sadly, some are so poorly designed and executed that they are frankly unfit for purpose. Anyone who's tried to build a 1970s vintage DJH Caley Jumbo will testify to that! Of course, if a decent etched kit for the Jumbo were to emerge I would definitely be at the front of the queue for it! Dave. Dave, (with apologies to the wishlisters and frothers for temporarily hijacking their thread) Worsley Works list the 4mm etchings for a Caley Jumbo, but don't do the castings.. LRM do the J21 in etched format and Alexander Models do a w/m version. As the J21 appears to be is at the top of many wishlists, it must be that there are a lot of people who would rather spend their time wishing to own one and writing on here about it, rather than learning how to build one (with the enjoyment and satisfaction that goes with that). As you say, time can be the major issue for many, but I don't buy the skills excuse. None of us are born with any skills, they are something you acquire. I think self discipline and motivation are what is usually lacking. I'll get my coat now. Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 LNWRmodeller : I think self discipline and motivation are what is usually lacking. Mrs. coach used to ask me why I showed visitors how to line out with a box pen. My answer was always, "We are all modellers..... Besides, me telling them how to do it and them doing it are two different things!". The plain fact is there are still only a handful of professional steam loco painters in the UK that can handle pre-grouping to BR, and so I would add patience, perseverance and practice to self discipline and motivation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I enjoy learning these new skills and I've taught myself how to use an airbrush and to solder to a competent level. Jol, I did actually have the Alexander kit. I only sold it because I'm convinced that particular hunch of mine is about to bear fruit from Barwell. Otherwise it would still be in the pile! On the other hand, I think Worsley Works will be getting some custom soon. I'm sure Jim Smellie will be able to join the dots regarding the castings, with some help from my spares box! :-) Fear naught , I will not be giving up my hard earned skills any time soon! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Thanks for getting rid of the double post, Mod. I was using the mobile version and couldn't edit it myself. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton Junction Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Nice regional and era spread there then, eh! I tend to stick to trains that run in and around Manchester but theres quite a few nice liverys from other areas that I want to run too. This is just the list I could come up with at the time of writing, I think its endless lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton Junction Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I would be very surprised if the NR 57 doesn't make it in 2012 as there's such an upsurge in interest in yellow stuff. This is one of those rare items that you can simply paint yellow................ Either that or one of the limited edition brigade take it up. The new Malcolm livery on 66434 is a possibility to boost shed sales - I wonder if this would make it as a late entry onto the list having only been revealed in late 2011/early 2012 And which Colas livery would you go for? The relatively short-lived "Colas Rail" as on 66841-845, or the current "Colas Rail Freight" on 66846-850? Again another suitable for the LE specialists if Barwell don't get on the case. Cheers, Mick The more yellow stuff the better for me, id like to see Bachmann produce somthing a bit more obscure from Network Rail like some of the modified Mk2 & 3 coaches. Id like to see the current Colas Rail Freight livery personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
english electric Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 id like to see the chocolate eclair 47 aka 47790 / 47832 northern belle livery n maybe a redstripe 47 n 37s in dutch centre headcode n redstripe split headcode n 3tg split box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 yes i agree with central headcode dutch 37 and a split headcode 37 in 3TG, Theres lots of class 47 liveries i would like but i fear they will be kept for Ltd Editions.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 8, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2012 The more yellow stuff the better for me, id like to see Bachmann produce somthing a bit more obscure from Network Rail like some of the modified Mk2 & 3 coaches. Id like to see the current Colas Rail Freight livery personally Wishlist stuff above wrt to the coaches. However, the moment that anyone brings out a decent aircon Mk2, then there will be a run for the limited edition brigade [1] - one of our LE providers has already said as much on another thread. Without serious tooling modification, there actually aren't many Mk2's or 3's that can be produced without resorting to major tooling changes or printed detail. There are a number of NR Mk2's that look like normal Mk2's, such as the ex-Gatwick Express stuff, but the underframes are completely different and the ends are also modified. [1] 5981/9481/977997/1256 are relatively easily modelled and will feature in my yellow thread - details in my sig. Anyway, all will be revealed in the next few days. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 As you say, time can be the major issue for many, but I don't buy the skills excuse. None of us are born with any skills, they are something you acquire. I think self discipline and motivation are what is usually lacking. I'll get my coat now. Jol Whilst generally people can learn skills, sometimes there are some that no amount of tuition or patience can develop. My late grandfather who was a seriously skilled engineer and a very patient former apprentice training manager spent ages - and I mean years - trying to teach me soldering and I just could not get it, much the same way I could never get the hang of quadratic equations, or the intricacies of organic chemistry when doing my A levels. I absolutely know there is no way I will ever be a competant solderer. Plus, I'm not prepared to spend £1000's on kits to ruin whilst trying to learn. I accept my limitations, but get mightly hacked off when others airly and patronisingly imply that anyone claiming lack of skills is either not a modeller or not trying. Nobody is born a skilled kit builder, or for that matter linguist, nuclear physicist or surgeon. However, I don't often hear many surgeons or nuclear physicists saying "oh, anyone can do it, it's a matter of practice". Thank God, or we'd all have gone up in a massive nuclear explosion or be dying on surgery tables as people try and learn open heart surgery by just doing it and learning from their mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 8, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2012 OT, but regarding kits and kitbuilding, there are many people who can do a reasonable job of building a kit and even painting it, but very, very few people can do so to the quality of running and finish that the RTR manufacturers can achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Pretty true Ian. Not everybody has the will to persevere at something which really is what you need to do. It took me 30 years. I was put off a number of times by some pretty disastrous efforts until I discovered Tony Wright's excellent show and tells and also when I realised that what caused much of the trouble was the shocking inferiority of some of the kits I had been attempting to build. How many of these aberrations have actually been successfully built, I wonder? Nowadays, the task is much more pleasurable due to improved tools and jigs and also instructional media. Additionally kits have improved almost beyond recognition as etching has replaced crude castings and kits are designed by those who actually build such things. Quality drive mechanisms such as High Level have also changed the game. I wouldn't describe myself as an expert by any means as I'm still somewhat 'time poor' at the moment, but the will is there. I'm confident that I can now produce a model that can comfortably stand beside the latest RTR , once they have both been subjected to the same weathering/texturing techniques. It's not for everybody; we all have different aptitudes and I'm still none the wiser about layout electrics, but if you're curious and fancy a go, try a simple kit ( a piece of rolling stock for example) so that if it all goes wrong you're still not too out of pocket. Anyway, this has dragged well off topic so to bring it back in to somewhere approximating to where the thread should be, I'm still convinced of the J21 and the 2MT. If I'm wrong it's no big deal though, there'll be another time. I'm not building THAT 2MT kit though...! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Last guesses for me then... A2/3 J50 J6 And I think it's likely we'll see something completely madcap that makes sense after the initial shock/surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 And I think it's likely we'll see something completely madcap that makes sense after the initial shock/surprise. DP2 then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 9, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2012 And I think it's likely we'll see something completely madcap that makes sense after the initial shock/surprise. 66720 Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 DP2 then I walked straight into that one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2012 A quick revisit then, and perhaps flesh on earlier suggested bones - Steam loco large - LNER group large a Q6 or O4 (why did Hornby do the O1 I wonder?), curve ball is a B16 Steam loco small - NER 0-6-0 but not sure which Coaches - dunno, possibly something GW or LMS, non-corridor I suspect DMU - Swindon Cross Country set (Class 120) to open up the longer underframe range, curve ball GWR twin railcar. Wagons - new GWR brakevan. And judging by my usual forecasting record we will see none of the above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Whilst generally people can learn skills, sometimes there are some that no amount of tuition or patience can develop. My late grandfather who was a seriously skilled engineer and a very patient former apprentice training manager spent ages - and I mean years - trying to teach me soldering and I just could not get it, much the same way I could never get the hang of quadratic equations, or the intricacies of organic chemistry when doing my A levels. I absolutely know there is no way I will ever be a competant solderer. Plus, I'm not prepared to spend £1000's on kits to ruin whilst trying to learn. I accept my limitations, but get mightly hacked off when others airly and patronisingly imply that anyone claiming lack of skills is either not a modeller or not trying. Nobody is born a skilled kit builder, or for that matter linguist, nuclear physicist or surgeon. However, I don't often hear many surgeons or nuclear physicists saying "oh, anyone can do it, it's a matter of practice". Thank God, or we'd all have gone up in a massive nuclear explosion or be dying on surgery tables as people try and learn open heart surgery by just doing it and learning from their mistakes. I regret that I appear to have ruffled a few feathers. However, based upon some years of exerience in running evening classes and workshops, and from the first hand reaction I have had to articles appearing in print, I have learned that people can acquire modelling skills if they have the desire. The analogy with heart surgeons, etc. is well wide of the mark. Learning to drive might be a better one. Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2012 I regret that I appear to have ruffled a few feathers. However, based upon some years of exerience in running evening classes and workshops, and from the first hand reaction I have had to articles appearing in print, I have learned that people can acquire modelling skills if they have the desire. The analogy with heart surgeons, etc. is well wide of the mark. Learning to drive might be a better one. Jol Maybe but I think we might all (well many of us ) have the odd 'blind spot'. i have never found soldering a challenge although I can manage the occasional dry joint but I have always had a serious problem trying to cut wood, of any size, square - and that is with most types of saw and any kind of aid, including a mitre box, you care to name. My dad was a highly skilled carpenter/cabninet maker, he could cut wood square without even bothering to mark it but that skill has completely eluded me, notwithstanding 50 years+ of trying to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2012 Wishlist stuff above wrt to the coaches. However, the moment that anyone brings out a decent aircon Mk2, then there will be a run for the limited edition brigade [1] - one of our LE providers has already said as much on another thread. Without serious tooling modification, there actually aren't many Mk2's or 3's that can be produced without resorting to major tooling changes or printed detail. There are a number of NR Mk2's that look like normal Mk2's, such as the ex-Gatwick Express stuff, but the underframes are completely different and the ends are also modified. [1] 5981/9481/977997/1256 are relatively easily modelled and will feature in my yellow thread - details in my sig. Anyway, all will be revealed in the next few days. Cheers, Mick Presumably Bachmann (or any other manufacturer for that matter) could "design in" some of the potential variants in the way the tooling was designed, by allowing different slides (is that the correct term?) to be made later. I imagine it would add to the initial tooling costs, however, so they'd want to know that the demand was there and any extra costs would be recovered through limited editions. And I think it's likely we'll see something completely madcap that makes sense after the initial shock/surprise. DP2 then DP2? Nah...... Something for 'CHARD perhaps? Coat, hat.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 DP2? Nah...... Something for 'CHARD perhaps? Why thank you, don't mind if I do! Highland Baby Sulzer, Gloucester, MkI CCT, Carflat, 2MT, plate wagon, lattice-post signals, good contenders all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Never Fell for it then ...? ;-) Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Aahhhhh. Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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