The Black Hat Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Any update of which hall we think would be better between the refubished engine from Bachmann which is now in the shops and the design clever one that Hornby is annoucing. I am wondering what others make of the Bachmann Hall and how much space there is for fitting sound etc, as I would think the decoder is in the engine with no wires to the tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted February 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2013 New version reviewed on todays MREmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2013 To quote Pat Hammond. 'The model under review has a new chassis and is fitted with an 8-pin decoder socket. It appropriately carries the 81A shedcode, which was for Old Oak Common and it is in early BR lined black livery, which it would have carried from new '. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Higgi Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I guess MREmag Latest Issue but I will now wait for the Hornby Hall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy W Posted February 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2013 Based on the rather limited info from a single photo, can any Modified Hall experts tell us what if any improvements apart from a conventional chassis and DCC socket have been made on the previous version? I don't think Bachmann ever said there would be other improvements, just interested to see what has been done. Pat Hammond's writeup isn't really a review of the new model, more a history of the prototype and previous model versions, as is his normal style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 To me it looks like the body has had some work done to it! I think they have done a bit more than just upgrade the chassis! There seems to be a valve on the smoke box for the steam lance to be fitted to clean the tubes out also more detail under the sides of the boiler in front the nameplate! If its a new body or just the original with a few more detailed parts added I don't no! Hope this helps Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Anyone know when these are due in to the shops? I see the revue in the Hornby magazine an there saying it's out now? Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2013 Anyone know when these are due in to the shops? I see the revue in the Hornby magazine an there saying it's out now? Regards Neil Imminent.Two completed samples at Coventry on Tues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I guess ... I will now wait for the Hornby Hall I'm sure it will be a good one, assuming they don't design too-clever-by-half.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2013 I guess MREmag Latest Issue but I will now wait for the Hornby Hall As may be but you are talking about a different prototype Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 As may be but you are talking about a different prototype I guess MREmag Latest Issue but I will now wait for the Hornby Hall Just for the record the new Hornby Hall is a match for the currently available Bachmann Hall (4900-6958) whilst this new Hall model is the later Modified Hall (6959-7929) 2 different classes. So you will be better off comparing the Hornby to a Bachmann hall from the 49XX series such as 32-005 4962 Ragley Hall 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Higgi Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Just for the record the new Hornby Hall is a match for the currently available Bachmann Hall (4900-6958) whilst this new Hall model is the later Modified Hall (6959-7929) 2 different classes. So you will be better off comparing the Hornby to a Bachmann hall from the 49XX series such as 32-005 4962 Ragley Hall Yes I did know but thank you and good point. I asume that (like the Black 5 varients) Hornby will cover everything (all Halls!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) To quote Pat Hammond. 'The model under review has a new chassis and is fitted with an 8-pin decoder socket. '.I wonder what's new about it (the chassis), it looks the same as the one in 'Guild Hall' released a few years ago (DCC fitted, 8pin). Edit to avoid confusion - (the chassis) Edited March 19, 2013 by tender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's a modified hall built by hawksworth not a collet build like all the other recent Bachmann halls! A excellent locomotive in real life! Most of the idea's was copied an used on the LMS black 5's Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's a modified hall built by hawksworth not a collet build like all the other recent Bachmann halls! A excellent locomotive in real life! Most of the idea's was copied an used on the LMS black 5's Regards Neil I have never understood the worship Black 5s got, what did it have over a Hall. Even the S&D engine men were impressed by Halls. Same with 8Fs and 28xxs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob O Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I have never understood the worship Black 5s got, what did it have over a Hall. Even the S&D engine men were impressed by Halls. Same with 8Fs and 28xxs Black fives lasted until the end of steam. A bit longer than Halls. In fact when they "Midlandised" the 84 group sheds the Staniers replaced the Halls, The popularity is due to the greater route availability. A true go anywhere loco. Halls often "clobbered" platforms when the wandered away from the Western! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) A Hall in good nick was a match for almost anything. Stop Press-----'Swithland Hall' released. Now in stock at Modelfair. Edited March 20, 2013 by Ian Hargrave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2013 A Hall in good nick was a match for almost anything. Except a 'Grange' 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2013 A fair point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I have never understood the worship Black 5s got, what did it have over a Hall. Even the S&D engine men were impressed by Halls. Same with 8Fs and 28xxs They got to Darlington did they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 They got to Darlington did they? So did 6960 in 1975 Mike Wiltshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I see in the new model rail revue they have found a few problems with this new hall! An I agree the lack of a fire iron tunnel on the fireman side is a bit of a let down plus other little faults its got but it won't stop me buying one or two! Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2013 I see in the new model rail revue they have found a few problems with this new hall! An I agree the lack of a fire iron tunnel on the fireman side is a bit of a let down plus other little faults its got but it won't stop me buying one or two! Regards Neil I have much the same view. The lack of a fireiron tunnel and the platework of the smokebox saddle are silly mistakes which one would hope would be avoided nowadays but at least the first, and possibly the second?, might be fixable. I'm not so sure about the oil pipe cover between the boiler cladding and smokebox and would like to have a good look at that before making any definite comment. But overall it does have 'the look' although a long gap twixt loco and tender (no doubt also 'fixable'). The Bachmann 'Hall' sits very nicely overall and I suspect this one is going to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 21, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2013 They got to Darlington did they?Read the Peter Smith Mendips Enginemen books. He saw Halls on holiday trains being extremely sure footed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Langley Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 According to Model Rails Twitter feed Bachmann have recalled all the new Modified Halls in light of errors picked up by magazines that reviewed the new engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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