RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted August 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2012 Thought just occurred to me - would the chassis suit any other prototype?.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Thought just occurred to me - would the chassis suit any other prototype?... Such as? You don't mean the 15xx? Much longer wheelbase... Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 im wondering what its going to be like with regards gauge widening for EM and P4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Thought just occurred to me - would the chassis suit any other prototype?.... Not if it has the prototype bar frames...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 why did they (and indeed other foreign locos) have 3 domes? and did the US build them to an "austerity" policy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Sand, nicely kept dry by the heat from the boiler. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 (edited) I think I noticed in one of the French railway mags that I was flicking through on the way through Paris, that there is an HO model coming from a French manufacturer - is this a case of common design for the two scales? http://www.ree-modeles.com/crbst_87.html Jon Edited September 4, 2012 by jonhall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Sand, nicely kept dry by the heat from the boiler. thank you, its something ive always wondered. footage of them at Southampton appears here from approx 3mins40. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 apologise for bumping this to those waiting for an update, Im wondering about it myself. with regards the Liverpool loan of 30066 in 1955, I was speaking to a freind and we got talking about the visit of one of these to Liverpool and he was telling me of how he saw it at Aintree shed, but then I got quizzing him and he said he didnt know about the 1955 visit, what he was talking about was that he saw a bright green one on Aintree shed, he was playing football on the field near the shed and he said it stuck out like a sore thumb among the black locos so he bunked into the shed to see it, this was in the mid 1960s. total mystery and I know he's not the type of person to make things up, he is writing a book on the railways of the area and is probably the most prolific photographer of the area in the steam era so I believe him. but still taking it with a pinch of salt in case something has got mixed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think I noticed in one of the French railway mags that I was flicking through on the way through Paris, that there is an HO model coming from a French manufacturer - is this a case of common design for the two scales? http://www.ree-modeles.com/crbst_87.html Jon Its actually Hrnby under the Rivarossi moniker. It's to 'HO' scale, not 'OO'. And as far as I am aware, manufacturers dont share things like CAD/CAM files. The MR one has a much wider selection of british liveries though. the only possible livery that could be used on a british layout with the 'HO' one is the USATC livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 funily enough I was reading Tony Wright's article in Railway modeller nov 1997 the other day on how he built the SE Finecast kit, i remember the article well as I quite fancied one at the time...... I recently got hold of a sample S100 kit. The castings are actually really good, although the moulds are starting to slip in one or two places, with very obvious part lines. Half the reason for buying it was to see if any of the parts were common with, or adaptable for use on, the S160 2-8-0, which would then have led to an order for spare parts. So far, I haven't spotted any common parts apart from possibly the multi-dog smokebox door. The S100 smokebox saddle has a smaller curvature for obvious reasons, and the cylinders are completely different. Likewise the motion bracket which holds the frame for the expansion links is of a quite different design, and I'm not even sure if the chimney can be cut down. Apparently standardisation wasn't quite embraced by USATC designers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2013 Its actually Hrnby under the Rivarossi moniker. It's to 'HO' scale, not 'OO'. And as far as I am aware, manufacturers dont share things like CAD/CAM files. The MR one has a much wider selection of british liveries though. the only possible livery that could be used on a british layout with the 'HO' one is the USATC livery No it's not. The REE model linked by jonhall is currently being revised before release, now targeted for September, and is not the same as the Jouef model, which may appear this Spring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think I noticed in one of the French railway mags that I was flicking through on the way through Paris, that there is an HO model coming from a French manufacturer - is this a case of common design for the two scales? http://www.ree-modeles.com/crbst_87.html Jon Absolutely not. It's pure co-incidence. The Model Rail USA has been commissioned from Dapol, who are designing it to accommodate a variety of different details including smokebox fronts and bunkers. The HO Hornby/Rivarossi model will not need these variations as the European USAs were not modified in the same way as the Southern Railway ones. The detail variations will enable us to do many different livery variations in future, if the demand is there. CHRIS LEIGH 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Absolutely not. It's pure co-incidence. The Model Rail USA has been commissioned from Dapol, who are designing it to accommodate a variety of different details including smokebox fronts and bunkers. The HO Hornby/Rivarossi model will not need these variations as the European USAs were not modified in the same way as the Southern Railway ones. The detail variations will enable us to do many different livery variations in future, if the demand is there. CHRIS LEIGH There were differences in the locos used by European railways and both Hornby International (Jouef and Rivarossi) and REE's announcements reflect them. They're mostly to the coal bunker, smokebox door, the fitting of a Westinghouse pump, and REE, who plan to offer seven specific locos that worked in France for both the USATC and SNCF, even have the TIA water treatment fittings for the appropriate locos http://www.ree-modeles.com/crbst_90.html After Jugoslavia, France was the largest post war user of these locos and SNCF bought 77 of them in 1948 to form class 030TU1-77. They were used on all but one SNCF region and some changes were made to the coal bunkers, cab and other fittings and they were (possibly not all of them) equipped with Westinghouse pumps. Sixteen of them were converted to oil firing for use on the South East region though none of the models seem to reflect that. Without speed recorders they could only be used for shunting particularly around docks, works and loco depots but were very successful. They lasted almost till the end of steam with most of them withdrawn between 1967 and 1970. Apart from SNCF, the Département des Bouches-du-Rhône bought three more of the USATC locos for its own lines and these were oil fired. Edited April 7, 2013 by Pacific231G 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2013 There were differences in the locos used by European railways and both Hornby International (Jouef and Rivarossi) and REE's announcements reflect them. They're mostly to the coal bunker, smokebox door, the fitting of a Westinghouse pump, and REE, who plan to offer seven specific locos that worked in France for both the USATC and SNCF, even have the TIA water treatment fittings for the appropriate locos http://www.ree-modeles.com/crbst_90.html After Jugoslavia, France was the largest post war user of these locos and SNCF bought 77 of them in 1948 to form class 030TU1-77. They were used on all but one SNCF region and some changes were made to the coal bunkers, cab and other fittings and they were (possibly not all of them) equipped with Westinghouse pumps. Sixteen of them were converted to oil firing for use on the South East region though none of the models seem to reflect that. Without speed recorders they could only be used for shunting particularly around docks, works and loco depots but were very successful. They lasted almost till the end of steam with most of them withdrawn between 1967 and 1970. Apart from SNCF, the Département des Bouches-du-Rhône bought three more of the USATC locos for its own lines and these were oil fired. Did any of them get preserved I wonder? I don't recall seeing one when I went to the museum at Mulhouse a few years back, but I wondered if one of the heritage lines managed to save one or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Did any of them get preserved I wonder? I don't recall seeing one when I went to the museum at Mulhouse a few years back, but I wondered if one of the heritage lines managed to save one or two.French Wikipedia suggests two are preserved:- "De nos jours les 030 TU 13 et 030 TU 22 sont conservées, la première au Dépôt-musée de Pont-Erambourg par l'ACF et la deuxième à Longueville par l'AJECTA." Pont Erambourg is a preserved line in Normandy, so there is a possibility the loco might be seen hauling a train. Longueville is a preserved depot east of Paris, which has a big open day every year in September ('the journée du patrimoine', when all sorts of places that get subsidies/grants open their doors, sometimes grudgingly, to the public) Edited April 8, 2013 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) My latest information is that TU13 is awaiting restoration by ACF (Amicale pour la mise en valeur de la voie ferrée de Caen à Flers) having been used as a "flower pot" - in Caen. Looking at the current photo of the loco on their website it may be a long wait. At the moment their main activity seems to be operating Velorails on the line - a fairly common way for French preservation schemes to get some revenue pending proper trains. TU22 is preserved, though apparently not currently in service, by AJECTA at Longueville where it seems to have been the depot shunter for when it was an SNCF shed. The museum depot is open every Sunday and holiday and also on Saturdays from June to mid October and runs special trains several times each year. A third S100 does appear to be operating in France. This was operated by Le Chemin de fer du Val de Provence (CFVP) who used a section of the Bouches de Rhone line but who seem to have disappeared. Since 2011 it has been on the Chemin de Fer Touristique du Haut Quercy and features on their current website. It carries the SNCF number (030TU 46) of a loco that was scrapped years ago, but was actually one of those that had worked in the former Jugoslavia so, if it ever did work in France before, it was for the USATC. According to the railway's website http://www.trainduhautquercy.info/start/cfthqe.html it was built in Pittsburgh in 1943 so it is a genuine USATC loco rather than one of those built under licence in Jugoslavia. Edited June 13, 2013 by Pacific231G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Absolutely not. It's pure co-incidence. The Model Rail USA has been commissioned from Dapol, who are designing it to accommodate a variety of different details including smokebox fronts and bunkers. The HO Hornby/Rivarossi model will not need these variations as the European USAs were not modified in the same way as the Southern Railway ones. The detail variations will enable us to do many different livery variations in future, if the demand is there. CHRIS LEIGH The NCB ran three (at least) in Northumberland that were sbstantially unmodified.... Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 The NCB ran three (at least) in Northumberland that were sbstantially unmodified.... Les The tooling allows for an unmodified example. Some of us want a version in USATC livery! CHRIS LEIGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyModeller Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'll have to get one of these they have one at the KWVR in store and that's a local railway for me so that will be added on to the list of things I want and need. I'm sure it will be a quality model anyway I already have one of Dapol's sentinels and the LMS prototype diesel no.10,000 and they are both superb! I guess I'm going to have to pre-order one pretty quick as I have heard they are quite popular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted April 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2013 The NCB ran three (at least) in Northumberland that were sbstantially unmodified.... Les Yes dead right, I have an E E Smith photo of one at Backworth (titled as such, I think it's Ashington though) and there's also one in one of Tom Heavyside's books. Can't post them of course for copyright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 . Any comments on the latest cgi photos shown in the latest "Model Rail" magazine (July), p.10 ? The article also states that the BR versions are "close to being fully reserved" and goes on to say "although there will be more BR versions in Batch 2". . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Saw them on their Facebook page, looks like a good start the Cads, need some adjustments in some areas, round the cab steps, also having the wrong type of buffers on the Cad, but need more screen shots really of each model really, to make any definitive comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 This model is now produced by Bachmann as anounced today: http://grahammuz.com/2013/08/31/Bachmann-announce-that-it-is-to-produce-a-00-scale-ex-london-brighton-and-south-coast-atlantic-h2-class-4-4-2/ Felix 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2013 Indeed. I will ask the admin team for the topic to be moved across to the Bachmann Forum in due course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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