RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 Thanks Mike. Wearing my photographers hat has been fun. I could really do with one of those compact Canon's that Andy Y and Gilbert uses to poke into corners and obtain track level shots. Quite a lot of planning is going into the next layout. It will be simple but that is only a by-product of the chosen location. "Simplicity" for it's own sake isn't the object, as everything on Greenfield runs perfectly over all the pointwork and slips and the electrics work well (surprised me!). But unfortunately, Greenfield had to be completed before I realised it was not what I wanted. Serves me right for not wiring it earlier. The new layout will be wired immediately the track is down. The only question remaining, having settled everything else is, which three points and diamond to adopt. The Peco Code 75 Insulfrog diamond is notorious in my book for stalling locos on the dead bits. If I adopt the Peco Electrofrog diamond or handbuilt points and diamond, someone is going to have to sort out the wiring 'cos it's beyond my understanding. PGH......Help! Hi Larry,have a go at making your own. I'm sure somebody on here will do a Templot template for you if you cannot get your head around Templot that is. That way you can have it to your own requirements and not what Peco offers. I believe C&L's website has information on how to wire up turnouts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 The wiring shouldn't be too difficult - it's all a matter of working out (on a sketch is best) which rail is the positive, which is the negative, and which bits have to switch from one to the other. Then work out which bits are affected by whichever route is set through them so might require switching from two different sources. The latter is helped, I think, by understanding a bit (only a bit) about interlocking because that in turn will rule out setting conflicting movements which rules out having to account for them in the wiring. Does that make sense? The thing about live diamonds is that they need to isolated from all other track and fed separately via a change-over switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I've been using Peco point motors with the add on switch to flick the polarity as required, but only when I can't use a trusty H&M because they come with that ability built in. The Peco wiring diagrams for the three way point took a while to work out, but nice you get it in your head they're not difficult to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Thanks gents. Looks like I'll have point motors next time. There is a workaround that I've used many times before....... That of putting in an Insulfrog single slip in place of a diamond......Fewer plastic bits and locos never stall and a DPDT switch would ensure the Delph Branch could be operated from either the Up or Down controller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I 'did' Delph Junction on Templot a few years ago, it was soooooo easy; can I find it? Can I heck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Some photos have come to light in a shoebox (no, not the one I was born in!). Early morning at Greenfield in the late summer of 1956 and two photographers were on hand to record the surprise appearance of 71000 Duke of Gloucester bringing in the ECS for a Greenfield-Newquay relief.... The trackside pass was wasted on Ivor Ladder, somebodies stepson, who was always on the roof of something. These West of England summer/wakes workings were the province of the wealthy of Saddleworth and brought Western Region stock to the area..... It was fortunate the North West had the equivalent of a Mike Longridge who energetically photographed carriages as well as locos. The leading coach is a GWR Hawksworth corridor Brake Composite (Comet sides on a Hornby donor)..... Next up is a late 1930's 'Sunshine' corridor Third. (Comet sides on scratch chassis).... Another Hawksworth vehicle followed, this time a corridor Third, the number still at the LH end..... Last but not least, a 1930-built high waist corridor brake composite (Comet sides with scratch chassis)..... The early morning sun is beginning to make itself felt as the train waits for the signal to proceed to Diggle to reverse.... The unique 8P 'Duke' is in as-built condition with its original Tender. Departure from Greenfield is imminent although it would be back within 15 minutes to pick up its suitcase-laden passengers.... The Duke only worked the train as far as Stockport, whereupon the four coaches were attached to the main train out of Manchester London Road. 71000 then presumably turned and worked back to Crewe with a local passenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Larry, D5038 even made it to 'our' branch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Larry, D5038 even made it to 'our' branch Wow thanks....On the extension from Blaenau Ffestiniog North to the GW station. Had it worked back from Traws Merf? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Coachman Great to see the enjoyment you are getting from the layout, with all the effort you have put in its worthwile. Not forgetting those of us who not only admire your layout building skills, but being able to see your wonderful coaches. Thanks for all the pleasure you are giving us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The models of diesel locos definitely interest me. Larry, STOP. That way lies the Dark Side. Now, take deep breath and say "belpaire, clack valves, reach rod, coal, notching up." There. Now come away, there`s nothing to see here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 Perhaps I am impressed because the diesel behaves and looks a miniature of the real thing. Maybe my subconscious is expecting steam and smoke with steam locos, who knows. We ran the Bachmann Class 24 and the Hornby DoG this afternoon, both of them very heavy locos and quite silent performers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2014 Perhaps I am impressed because the diesel behaves and looks a miniature of the real thing. Maybe my subconscious is expecting steam and smoke with steam locos, who knows. We ran the Bachmann Class 24 and the Hornby DoG this afternoon, both of them very heavy locos and quite silent performers. Coach, you gonna have to enter the 21st century and go DCC, that way your steam engines can sound like steam engines, my 3F sounds great. You'll need to get some more coaches made though to pay for it!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 If you dislike added affects, look away now.... Leeds United were playing Oldham Latics in 1964 but it would be touch and go if the spectators from Yorkshire got to the ground before kick-off. Fortunately, a Stanier 8F was on hand at Huddersfield to assist the ailing Class 24. This Footex will be one of the last over the Oldham Branch before closure. Future White Rose supporters would go via the L&Y Calder Valley route and via Rochdale into Oldham.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 IS that a touch of photoshop smoke Larry? Makes to all seem so real! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I do like the photoshop pic Larry, just adds a touch of realism and looking at the pic I can imagine the sounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 IS that a touch of photoshop smoke Larry? Makes to all seem so real! The smoke, sky and seagulls are from over Abergele, drifted in over the natural painted backboards. I trust you are feeling much better Andrew..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The smoke, sky and seagulls are from over Abergele, drifted in over the natural painted backboards. I trust you are feeling much better Andrew..... Getting better by the Day thanks Larry, just looking at pics on here helps as reading is still difficult. Cheers and keep the pics coming, there a recovery tonic, hahhah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(W) Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Hello, Coach. I normally loathe most "'shopped" images, but the smoke from the 8F is so very convincing - blower on, injectors to follow? Or does the topography at Greenfield deny me that scenario? Whatever, my rating is as much for the 'darkroom* dark arts' as the smashing modelling! Cheers, BR(W). * metaphorical, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 It isn't always sunny in Greenfield! No sooner had this breakfast time thunderstorm receded down the valley towards Stalybridge than the sun momentarily broke cover and a Class 24 chugged through the deserted platforms with empty-stock in this mid 1960's view..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Did you really wet the platform surfaces to get that wonderful effect Larry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Did you really wet the platform surfaces to get that wonderful effect Larry? No. Some platform surfaces had been missed by the matt varnish spray and were quite reflective. I spotted this after taking the picture of the Class 24 and added a wee bit more computererilly after deciding it would be a thunderstorm picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 It looks a bit black over Bill's mothers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(W) Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 x snip x "I am fast running out of pictures and restructuring is equally fast approaching so this thread will close shortly." x snip x Encore! Encore! Encore! Well, it works at concerts... A hopeful, BR(W). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 .....This thread will close shortly........ Encore! Encore! Shucks, is it that boring........ ha ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Great pictures Coach, can I ask if your points are motorised? If so you could cut off the lugs that you use to switch them manually. There for adding to the realism even more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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