pitbull1845 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Well done David,your work has always been very impressive but it just gets better and better. Good on you for giving something a go and succeeding in it. You must be really chuffed.CheersScott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Thanks Guys, hopefully can do the design modifications later this week. Ben , I went for parkside wheels, fit okay but I need to narrow the width. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 This is amazing david. Which era would it suit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Current era, only arrived within the last few years I think David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philhendry Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 It looks amazing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackster Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 David, will there be any chance of scaling up the Kirow to 1/87 scale when ready? I don't mind cutting and modifying a bit . There was a kit available from a Dutch company, Kleinspoor, that I have wanted, but your's is a superior product. Congratulations! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Wow. Take a bow David! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks for the kind words everyone! As for scaling to OO, it's possible just not cost effective. As the print costs are based on volume, doubling the scale increases the volume of material used by a factor of eight, so a £50 print in N would cost £400 in OO. I've even had interest in scaling to O, but put them off when I explained it would cost over £3000! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks for the kind words everyone! As for scaling to OO, it's possible just not cost effective. As the print costs are based on volume, doubling the scale increases the volume of material used by a factor of eight, so a £50 print in N would cost £400 in OO. I've even had interest in scaling to O, but put them off when I explained it would cost over £3000! David Although I suppose that someone with the time to do a rework on the CAD, rather than just a x2 scale, could do this scale up but maintain the same wall thickness. That way the cost would go up with the square of length rather than the cube (surface area rather than volume) - making the 00 model about £200. Hmm, probably still too much. I guess that they'll have to join us at the better scale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2013 [shameless Plug] of course if anyone wants an OO Harsco S&C Grinder Pete Harvey is producing a (mainly) etched kit [/shameless Plug] 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Some very impressive yellow modelling. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks for the kind words everyone! As for scaling to OO, it's possible just not cost effective. As the print costs are based on volume, doubling the scale increases the volume of material used by a factor of eight, so a £50 print in N would cost £400 in OO. I've even had interest in scaling to O, but put them off when I explained it would cost over £3000! David Not if you are keeping the required wall thicknesses. It depends upon the model but its usually nearer a factor of 5-6 so merely £250+ in OO. Is £3000 for an O gauge one unreasonable given the price of O gauge wagons ;-) Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 That crane is looking awesome!! I am mega impressed with it!! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Absolutely superb David, I look forward to seeing the finished item, any news on your EMSAT? Regards, Wild Boar Fell P.s. If you are thinking of doing an older style 76 tonner I have got a fair few photos of two of the GCR's I can send you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Not if you are keeping the required wall thicknesses. It depends upon the model but its usually nearer a factor of 5-6 so merely £250+ in OO. Is £3000 for an O gauge one unreasonable given the price of O gauge wagons ;-) Alan Hi Alan, you raise an interesting point - does anyone have any experiences of FUD in large thin pieces, such as you would have for an O gauge model? I am wondering what the material behaves like say 200x100mm but only 1mm thick. As it is quite brittle, I would imagine you would have to include a lot of structural support to go underneath it - probably over a plasticard or metal frame. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 EM SAT is ready to print, but I'm waiting to get hold of another motor chassis for it first. I need to tweak the GRSM-R set first as someone ordered one and the Shapeways computer said no, despite having already printed it for me with no problem... After that, it's a second pass on the Kirow, then the EMSAT, then I will probably go back and re do the 07 tamper...then probably stop for a while and concentrate on marketing the models. I cleared it with Andy on here, I'm launching a website to collate all the designs into one place, so you can click through to Shapeways to buy the prints, but also download PDFs of all the decal and glazing sheets to print at home. There is no additional financial benefit for me if anyone orders via my website or just goes straight to my Shapeways shop, but it will give a tidier, more professional feel to things. Once the soft launch has gone okay, I will start a need thread in the small suppliers, and I will be hopefully doing a full launch with a stand at a certain modelling show near leamington in September... David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Might just have to relaunch my 07 tamper kit then ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Pelham Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I need to tweak the GRSM-R set first as someone ordered one and the Shapeways computer said no, despite having already printed it for me with no problem... Ah that would be me then! It will be great to get that sorted, I now have credit with Shapeways that needs spending! Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Aha, hi Mark! Apparently one part of it is too thin to be printed bizarrely. I should have the file reloaded tomorrow evening, will let you know when it's done. Odd since its the same file I've already printed! David Might just have to relaunch my 07 tamper kit then ;-) Or you could always get the design converted for 3D printing David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Hi Alan, you raise an interesting point - does anyone have any experiences of FUD in large thin pieces, such as you would have for an O gauge model? I am wondering what the material behaves like say 200x100mm but only 1mm thick. As it is quite brittle, I would imagine you would have to include a lot of structural support to go underneath it - probably over a plasticard or metal frame. David Well you are in part limited by the bounding box Shapeways allow but how it scales is more complicated - ideally it has other support but you can print girder type patterns on the inside of a wall of FUD rather than just thicken it. Also as your size goes up you can do lots of the core stuff in WSF instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon br blue Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Well you are in part limited by the bounding box Shapeways allow but how it scales is more complicated - ideally it has other support but you can print girder type patterns on the inside of a wall of FUD rather than just thicken it. Also as your size goes up you can do lots of the core stuff in WSF instead. With a small amount of modifications you can normally change marerial both up and down scales- 2mm FUD can be printed 4mm WSF 4mm FUD can be printed 7mm WSF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted May 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2013 Might just have to relaunch my 07 tamper kit then ;-) Nah, just give us a 1:148 RTR one from Dapol! Happy modelling. Steven B. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted May 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2013 Not sure the standard of what you have produced can accurately be articulated in words. My god...this is truely stunning! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 David Your design skills and ingenuity are fantastic, keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Hi David I have been awestruck following this thread and thought it time I broke cover to say how inspirational it has been watching your progress. I guess that as this technology is in it's infancy I can only hope that the costs reduce as the demand takes off and 4mm could become more of an option, as OTP for us with limited skills with kits isn't really an option, having said that though a fully finished & motorised PLASSER & THEURER 07-16 TAMPER is around the £350 mark in 4mm so perhaps already it is getting near par. Keep the OTP coming, it's almost enough to convert me to the "dark side" of 2mm . Absolutely stunning work. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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