Weathering with ink and weathering powders - O Gauge Ruston 48DS

[Barry O]

Strangely enough that is the approach I use.. lots of photos of the chosen subject if at all possible..unfortunately pre 1960s photographs generally tend to be black and white and I have yet to find a time machine to go back to the 1930s onwards. 

 

see:

"1 Try to get good quality colour photos of the loco/stock you are weathering - this helps"

 

on item 4 on page 1 of this thread. 

 

Black and white only gives you a view of where items can get dirty...luckily some of us have been on this Planet long enough to remember real steam trains

 

But be wary of photographs of anything which has "Cond" on the side... it may have been out in the weather for a lot longer than others and it may not have been repainted for a long, long time.

 

 

 

Baz

[Barry O]

For Shap at Warley I did a quick overall dirt weathering job on a couple of my locos.

 

First up a Crownline Chinese Cracker (aka an Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0)

 

 

and a DJH double chimneyed 9F

 

 

I bought these already built and painted. I lined the Chinese cracker and gave both an overall dirt weathering.

Now I have a bit of time I can go back and finish the weathering as they do miss the highlighting in colour photos I have seen ( cracking one on docbrowns

website for the chinese cracker (http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/ArchiveSteam/archorig08.jpg)

 

I will post some "finished" photos once complete.

 

Baz

[Andrew P]

Hi Barry, and a Happy New Year to you.

 

I did one a few years back for an RM article to try and match Bachmanns Box cover but Dry Brushing only.

 

[Barry O]

Very nice Andy. With the base coat on I am looking forward to getting the rest done.

 

Baz

[Metr0Land]

Hi Barry I hope you don't mind my adding something here?

 

I've been following this thread for some time and dipped my toe in the water using inks for some wagons but had been reticent to do an actual coach.  My normal procedure for most carriages is to T-Cut the sides to get a bit of gloss (not too much mind) and then weather with washes and powders to bring out the detail in door handles, recesses etc.

 

I decided to have a go at a Hornby Thompson Brake (didn't take a 'before' pic).  I applied one coat of black ink and decided it wasn't enough for a coach that spent a lot of time in the smoke, so added another coat.  This was a mistake as I'd overdone it, and it didn't seem to want to wash off easily.  Soooo I decided to have a go at gentle T-Cutting after the 2 coats of ink had been applied and was pleased with the result.  The 'before' pic is a Composite but included for comparison as they were both exactly the same colour out of the box.

 

Note I've only weathered the side. The underframe and roof are yet to be done (probably the wrong order but I was experimenting).  I'd add a few people but those footboards are so delicate I can't seem to get remotely near dismantling the coach without causing major damage.

 

 

 

 

[richard i]

After is so much better ...realistic.

Keep experimenting

[Barry O]

Hi Barry I hope you don't mind my adding something here?

 

I've been following this thread for some time and dipped my toe in the water using inks for some wagons but had been reticent to do an actual coach. My normal procedure for most carriages is to T-Cut the sides to get a bit of gloss (not too much mind) and then weather with washes and powders to bring out the detail in door handles, recesses etc.

 

I decided to have a go at a Hornby Thompson Brake (didn't take a 'before' pic). I applied one coat of black ink and decided it wasn't enough for a coach that spent a lot of time in the smoke, so added another coat. This was a mistake as I'd overdone it, and it didn't seem to want to wash off easily. Soooo I decided to have a go at gentle T-Cutting after the 2 coats of ink had been applied and was pleased with the result. The 'before' pic is a Composite but included for comparison as they were both exactly the same colour out of the box.

 

Note I've only weathered the side. The underframe and roof are yet to be done (probably the wrong order but I was experimenting). I'd add a few people but those footboards are so delicate I can't seem to get remotely near dismantling the coach without causing major damage.

 

rev Thompson Composite brand new.jpg

 

rev Thompson Brake weathered sides only.jpg

Glad too see your work on the coaches.

Stubborn (non acrylic) inks come off with some Cif and a gentle rub with a wet toothbrush generally BUT the paint used by Hornby can be a problem. As you say a bit of T-Cut brightens them up.. I generally going straight to the ink and water for my own coaches..photo later

 

Just got to do the other sides..looks a proper job!

Baz

Edited May 3, 2018 by Barry O

[NHY 581]

Hi Barry I hope you don't mind my adding something here?

 

I've been following this thread for some time and dipped my toe in the water using inks for some wagons but had been reticent to do an actual coach.  My normal procedure for most carriages is to T-Cut the sides to get a bit of gloss (not too much mind) and then weather with washes and powders to bring out the detail in door handles, recesses etc.

 

I decided to have a go at a Hornby Thompson Brake (didn't take a 'before' pic).  I applied one coat of black ink and decided it wasn't enough for a coach that spent a lot of time in the smoke, so added another coat.  This was a mistake as I'd overdone it, and it didn't seem to want to wash off easily.  Soooo I decided to have a go at gentle T-Cutting after the 2 coats of ink had been applied and was pleased with the result.  The 'before' pic is a Composite but included for comparison as they were both exactly the same colour out of the box.

 

Note I've only weathered the side. The underframe and roof are yet to be done (probably the wrong order but I was experimenting).  I'd add a few people but those footboards are so delicate I can't seem to get remotely near dismantling the coach without causing major damage.

 

rev Thompson Composite brand new.jpg

 

rev Thompson Brake weathered sides only.jpg

I too use a car polish to give depth to Hornby paint.

 

Here's one of my Maunsell brakes.

 

 

Rob.

[Metr0Land]

OK so here's the completed Thompson pair. The composite went through a different overhaul cycle so isn't quite as world-weary as the brake.





These pictures were taken inside rather than in full daylight. The roofs have not been weathered apart from a spray with Testors Dullcote. This seems to have made the roofs noticeably darker and this isn't just an effect of fluorescent light rather than daylight. I'd like to put some people inside but the footboards on these (and the Gresley stock) are so fragile I can't seem to get the coaches apart without wrecking them. Because of this, the underframes are sprayed with frame dirt, I wasn't going to poke around trying to dust them with weathering powders.

I also had a go at a Gresley 9 8 compartment coach using similar techniques.




Edit: The Gresley was sprayed with roof dirt and then trated to a mix of black and dark grey powder

Edited May 5, 2018 by Metr0Land

[jwealleans]

9? Yours is better endowed than mine.

 

Lovely weathering, though.

Edited May 5, 2018 by jwealleans

[Metr0Land]

9? Yours is better endowed than mine.

 

Lovely weathering, though.

Ooops!

[Barry O]

Been a long time doing any weathering for me...but I finally managed to get the 21T hopper done.Before weathering it I have used a Judith Edge detailing fret plus wire and new transfers before starting to weather it.

 

Using a colour shot of a train passing Hartlepool I have tried to get as near as I can to the original

 

 

Baz

[Barry O]

Cricket umpiring getting in the way of weathering but some items completed...

A Bachmann Ivatt 2MT, repainted into BR plain black then weathered..

 

 

Baz

 

[Barry O]

OK so here's the completed Thompson pair. The composite went through a different overhaul cycle so isn't quite as world-weary as the brake.

 

rev Thompson Brake full weathered.jpg

 

rev Thompson Composite weathered side b.jpg

 

These pictures were taken inside rather than in full daylight. The roofs have not been weathered apart from a spray with Testors Dullcote. This seems to have made the roofs noticeably darker and this isn't just an effect of fluorescent light rather than daylight. I'd like to put some people inside but the footboards on these (and the Gresley stock) are so fragile I can't seem to get the coaches apart without wrecking them. Because of this, the underframes are sprayed with frame dirt, I wasn't going to poke around trying to dust them with weathering powders.

 

I also had a go at a Gresley 9 8 compartment coach using similar techniques.

 

rev Gresley 9 compartment full weather.jpg

 

 

Edit: The Gresley was sprayed with roof dirt and then trated to a mix of black and dark grey powder

dug out some of my Gresley Compartment stock all used on Mike Edges Herculaneum Dock layout

 

a Brake 3rd

 

a full third

 

a full first then

 

a close up of a window

 

 

all had a wash of black ink/water mix - wiped off to get various panel details.

 

Then a dose of weathering powder (soot black for bodywork/roof) and my underframe mix.

 

The windows were dirtied then a clean, wet cotton wool bud used to show attempts to clean them by passengers ..a bit too subtle for my camera!

 

Baz

[Barry O]

It is always nice to do something different. A set of four ICI bogie hopper wagons for Chapel-en-le-Frith arrived from Nicktoix. Not many colour photos of these so from the one "in service" one I have found...

 

 

underneath

 

inside

 

 

and two together

 

 

and a loco - DJH Std 4MT in BR lined black by Nictoix

 

 

Baz

Edited August 16, 2018 by Barry O

[Barry O]

Spent a pleasant weekend demonstrating weathering at Blackburn Show. Just need a bit of sunlight to do some photographs of various weathered vehicles..hopefully this will happen tomorrow!

 

Baz

[Barry O]

As usual at a show I didn't get loads of wagons weathered. Some I had started prior to the show...

 

First up a  Parkside ex SNCF 16T mineral wagon.All over dirt with a bit of added rust

 

 

I have been working on some ex PO wagons. One is an Oxford mineral. A bit of work with a glass fibre brush then some weathering. The other is Slaters PO. By using the glass fibre brush on some of the planks means the  original brown paint shows through. Some numbers from Modelmasters and then just a wash of black ink followed by weathering powder black when the ink is dry.

 

 

Two iron ore hoppers.. note the Hemeatite Ore is not yellow - it is a purple brown.

 

 

A couple of Cement Presflos - using white ink washes then "concrete" weathering powder added when the ink is slightly wet

 

 

and finally for now

 

an ex LMS 6 wheel fish van. These were never clean and needs a lot more work on it to complete

 

 

Baz

Edited November 13, 2018 by Barry O

[Barry O]

By getting in early at Warley I managed to complete a few things for club members before the show opened...

 

A couple of O gauge RTR BR 16T mineral wagons

 

for the Show manager Paul Jones

 

and two Heljan Type B Tanks for Andy the Club Secretary (only got a photo of the  lightly weathered one)

 

baz

Edited November 26, 2018 by Barry O

[Barry O]

A video from the Warley (NEC) Show

 

 

baz

[Barry O]

A "cleaned" Brit... 70017 Arrow, DJH kit built and painted by Nicktoix.

 

And now with a bit of added weathering.

 

 

Baz

[Barry O]

Been busy with other things but just finished a filthy Black 5.  Basically a Hornby model with a new chassis, I fitted sound (the speaker is a sugarcube between the frames under the chimney as it is EM.) I then lined it to weather it to match a black and white photograph which shows about 8 inches of lining on the cab side!  Lots of ink then lost of powder. Number and lining cleaned using a cotton wool bud and water..

 

 

[Barry O]

and yes...that wavy mark on the tender dirt is on the original photograph!

 

Baz

[Barry O]

A different Hornby Black 5, re gauged to EM and then fitted with etched chassis overlays (designed and fitted by Mike Edge) Black 5 44765 - speaker fitted into the boiler under the double chimney. Black and White photo of loco supplied for weathering illustration.  Tender looks better with real coal..

 

 

and from the other side

 

and a view of the coaled up Comet tender

 

Baz

 

 

 

[Barry O]

And another black loco..this time a Hornby BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0.

Working form a photograph this was a lovely loco to weather

 

note the slight marking around the bottom edge of the smoke box door.

 

And a view of the other side of the locomotive

 

 

 

The limescale is white poster paint added  with a tiny amount of water.

 

Baz

[Gwiwer]

I hope Baz will not object to me dropping in on his thread with a few shots of my own weathering work.  I began using ink rubbed in with a cotton wool bud and then with a little confidence gained progressed to powders.  I own an airbrush but it has seen little use.  All the effects seen here are powders either with or without hairspray as a fixative and in some cases with ink used to create depth in door frames and other recesses.  Wagons, locos, coaches, track and buildings have all been weathered; nothing much is "clean" when you look at real life.