woodenhead Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just had my Dapol Railcar in the post now, number 11. The model runs perfectly on DC, but it has no horns fitted and no accessory pack. I've just rung Dapol and they say I have to return the whole loco back to Hattons for a full replacement because they have no spares in stock yet !!!! That's a really STUPID situation ! Why not just send me some horns when they come into stock rather than sending back whole models that run correctly ! Unhappy! I'll buy some brass ones and fit them myself ! Do you have any sharp curves on your layout, does this model have fully formed bogies like the unvalanced versions or bare wheels? Interested to know how it corners as I've a sharp bend out of my fiddleyard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 A virtual pint to the first person to weather their Railcar...! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It will go around a Bachmann R607 curve (that's all I have) and It does have fully formed bogie side frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It will go around a Bachmann R607 curve (that's all I have) and It does have fully formed bogie side frames. R2 - great, I will order today - hope I have horns on mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Hattons have just rung me back and told me that non of the No11's have horns. They think the model should not come with them, but Dapol told me they should? I personally will not be sending the model back as instructed by Dapol, I will be buying the brass horns from Markits and fitting them in accordance to the pictures on the net. The Dapol ones seem to big, plastic, not enough and in the wrong place anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted October 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Well it arrived a few moments ago, so I have unpacked it and what a lovely model it is. Apart from fitting the lights it's straight from the box and onto the layout. Here area few simple pictures with no messing about with post focus or lighting. Now to fit the DCC chip and program in. Limited weathering, crew and passengers also next up. Now to work out how to get into it!!!! EDIT I have now worked out it only has a tail lamp with the other end (front) blocked off. Edited October 30, 2017 by KNP 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) I fitted the Zimo 21pin with no problems, everything worked first time, so Zimo good :-) The body came off no problem and the inner screws were easy to remove :-) All the lights work :-) Edited October 30, 2017 by swiftbeam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 Now that looks lovely in its natural habitat, get them while you can is all I can say. I enjoyed seeing these develop and now released into the wild is a great feeling and having had control of one at Dapol club open day last month it was very responsive - it was the demo and I could have sold it a hundred times over, well done Dapol, please find time to shrink to N some time soon ... mind you I would think O will come first and I can only dream of a 3mm version... anybody got a winning lottery ticket Robert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 Here are some photos I took of No4 in the NRM a year ago. Quite different body to the version produced by Dapol. However I would be interested to know if AEC/GWR changed the bogie design or whether they were the same. The bogies on No 4 certainly have cut-outs and assuming that they are the same on the 10 later versions of the real things I would suggest that the model versions do lack a bit of depth with the same cut out design. The appearance could be enhanced with some careful weathering. I'm sure someone on here can tell me if the bogie design was the same, a quick scan through Colin Judge's book on them suggests that the bogies of the second tranche of ten were redesigned with longer side bearing springs and that the swing links were also considerably improved giving much better riding than the first seven. However though there are drawings of the bogies on the first batch and no 18 I can't see any relating to this batch 8-17. I look forward to hearing from someone with much greater knowledge of these interesting beasts. all the best Godfrey 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG 7305 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just had my Dapol Railcar in the post now, number 11. The model runs perfectly on DC, but it has no horns fitted and no accessory pack. I've just rung Dapol and they say I have to return the whole loco back to Hattons for a full replacement because they have no spares in stock yet !!!! That's a really STUPID situation ! Why not just send me some horns when they come into stock rather than sending back whole models that run correctly ! Unhappy! I'll buy some brass ones and fit them myself ! I have both No 11 and No 8. The early railcar does not come with lamp or horns. I suspect that the model is meant to represent the railcar as first brought into service. If you look at the front of the vehicle there is no place to fit the lamp/lamp bracket and this is how they were first used. Looking at No 4 it does not have protuding horns either so I reckon that the model is quite correct (other than the holes in the radiators) for what it is meant to represent. The lamp brackets and horns were (I am not an expert) later modifications and are therefore present on the post war livery vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Nice to see photos of the railcar. As I've said before, I really hope this gets passed through the 'shrink ray' and joins the Dapol N-gauge range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 Yes, the valences became less common over the years as they were left off for ease of maintenance. The bogies look basically accurate but I am not sure about the angled corners on the top of the bogies. I thought the tops were squarish. Are the buffers actually 50mm Cannon in disguise? (Very useful for keeping the railway clear of trespassers and potential German invaders no doubt) 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 That would be the malachite green one then :-) Absolutely Not. No Swindon procured product shall be dressed in the sacred shade of malachite on my rails. The flying banana will still be Medium Chocolate and Spilt Milk. After the dreaded end of December, 1947, the Bodmin Road to Wadebridge service was extended to Padstow by BR. A light prairie and B set in old GWR colors was used for some time. I just Rule One'd this service back to the summer of 1947. Tariff will of course require travelers to Padstow pay an SR supplement for the Wadebridge Padstow segment of their journey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Hi, Yes, my model does not come with extra lamps, lamp irons or horns. There is no hole in the body to take a lamp iron, but it does come with holes to take horns and Dapol say it is meant to have horns. However, my model will be going back as now I have had time to really watch the model running, it pulses! I have tried it on DCC and DC and I have cleaned all the wheels and contacts with IPA. The motor runs smooth as does the gears, but the model pulses while in motion. It doesn't stop or jurk, it gently and smoothly kangaroo's down the track, It's only slight, but you can hear the motor rev up and slow down. The faster you go, the more it does it. I've never had a model that does this when everything is perfectly clean. P.S, My controllers are Gaugemaster D for DC testing and Sin-na-Trak for DCC running. Track is perfectly clean and all other models are running as they should. P.P.S, As I sit here looking at my RB in it's postage box ready to be sent back tomorrow (by that time they have sold out) I wonder if it's worth disconnecting the motor and hard wiring it to a basic hard wire Zimo decoder. Just forget all the standard lights and PCB?? I'm not going to do it, unless the exchanged model shows the same running quality, but hard wiring would at least get it running consistently? Edited October 30, 2017 by swiftbeam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I am still going to order mine but looks like we need to be wary, lets hope this is a one off with missing bits and tie me kangeroo down sport mechanics I want a banana not a lemon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just looked at the images for No.11 on Hattons web page - it has no horns either - is the whole batch the same, No.12 has them. Maybe I will order No.12 then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Hatton say they have checked quite a few No11's and all have no horns, as per the picture on their site. Dapol say it should have them and the buffer beam has holes to take them. I don't know ??? Edited October 30, 2017 by swiftbeam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR8700 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Is that not because Number 11 represents the railcar in its earliest condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 For those of you who are interested here is the interior. Beam with horns on just pulls off, I suspect as my layout is in the mid 1930's this was not fitted anyway - need to double check. Slightly push apart the sides to clear the lug and the body will just slide off with a bit of pulling Undo the two screws in each driver cabs and I put a flat blade between the brown floor and black chassis to separate, just lifts up but watch the wires. Cover for decoder just prises off the lugs - careful not to bend! At this point I was planning to fit my 8pin Hornby decoder as it was already programmed for my original railcar No.22 but when starting to install the 21pin to 8pin adaptor I noticed it was damaged. So I have ordered a new one and put it all back together - which is just a repeat of the above. I will now set up a test loop of DC track and try a running test to check all is OK. Hope you find this useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Is it all wheel powered or one bogie. or as suggested one central motor and drive shafts? Odd running could occur if the motor drives by shafts as they could be U/Ja out of phase, or if one bogie then the gears are too tight.....pure speculation till it arrives. Stephen Pictures were sent whilst writing Edited October 30, 2017 by bertiedog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 One central motor driving one bogie via a shaft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Is that not because Number 11 represents the railcar in its earliest condition? Perhaps.... This is the only picture I can find of it on Google and maybe it doesn't have horns http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/aec2.htm In fact in my ignorance, maybe I should follow what I see and declare it is sans horns. Although all Dapol artistry and pre-production show the horns Edited October 30, 2017 by woodenhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 As above, I also took shots of no 4 at York. Of interest is the triangular section missing from the body skirt to allow the drive shaft safety loop to clear the body. I have not seen this on the second batch railcars Mike Wiltshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Does these genuinely come with lights factory fitted? If so, does anyone fancy taking some pics in the twilight? Cheers, CoY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Warwickshire railways http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrsr1115.htm Has some excellent photos of railcars. If the horns are on that one, they’re not prominent/ lost in the haze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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