will5210 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There's a wee bit too much of rivet counteritis going on in this thread! C'mon will the world end if the chimney is a gnat's gonad too tall? Geez! lol! Nothing wrong with casting a critical eye around the thing. All new models deserve that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CathcartCircle Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Nothing wrong with casting a critical eye around the thing. All new models deserve that. But there's critical and there's critical. It's a railroad model and for that I'd give it a 10 out of 10 but to detract from it because the chimney is a little off or a line of paint is slightly too thick. I'm sorry and I am in no way being personal but I find it irritating that someone feels that it is better to find the teeniest, tiniest fault with it instead of looking at what is good about it particularly as I said, it's a railroad model. It's not like it had a missing pony truck or something! If we had paid £4,500 for a top of the range brass model, yeah we would be looking for perfection in scale and detail! I'm sorry but this kind of nitpicking just spoils threads for me! That's just me though and I mean no disrespect to anyone! Edited September 5, 2014 by CathcartCircle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will5210 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 But there's critical and there's critical. It's a railroad model and for that I'd give it a 10 out of 10 but to detract from it because the chimney is a little off or a line of paint is slightly too thick. I'm sorry and I am in no way being personal but I find it irritating that someone feels that it is better to find the teeniest, tiniest fault with something instead of looking at what is good about something particularly as I said , it's a railroad model. It's not like it had a missing pony truck or something! If we had paid £4,500 for a top of the range brass model, yeah we would be looking for perfection in scale and detail! I'm sorry but this kind of nitpicking just spoils threads for me! That's just me though and I mean no disrespect to anyone! I agree & give it 10/10 too, particularly for the price, but for all the people out there (like me) who enjoy making things even better then an easily adjustable thing like this is worth pointing out I think. I also think the top of the range version out soon will have the same error & I'll be just as happy with that one too (i.e. very happy indeed) Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 But there's critical and there's critical. It's a railroad model and for that I'd give it a 10 out of 10 but to detract from it because the chimney is a little off or a line of paint is slightly too thick. I'm sorry and I am in no way being personal but I find it irritating that someone feels that it is better to find the teeniest, tiniest fault with it instead of looking at what is good about it particularly as I said, it's a railroad model. It's not like it had a missing pony truck or something! If we had paid £4,500 for a top of the range brass model, yeah we would be looking for perfection in scale and detail! I'm sorry but this kind of nitpicking just spoils threads for me! That's just me though and I mean no disrespect to anyone!I agree but I also think that there are several pages of praise for this model, and actually given how long we've waited for it we should be allowed to expect it to match drawings and dimensions after all we know Hornby can do it. This particular model may only be a railroad range one but it will share many features of construction with the more expensive main version including the chimney and if we should be able to let Hornby know if there is a problem. It's just constructive criticism. Rhys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Presumably the same chimney moulding will be on all the model P2's be they Railroad or up-market. If a railway modeller spots it needs attention, then why wouldnt he mention it on RMweb? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So what's wrong with it then? Looks straight to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks. It was mostly done with an Airbrush using Vallejo Model Air Acrylics (Nato Black, Dark Panzer Grey & Olive Drab) and a very thinned down Tamiya X-22 Clear (to create the damp/ condensation patches). Then hand painted the buffers and coupling rods with Railmatch Oily Steel and then oiled up using Tamiya X-19 Smoke Could you pls clarify. When you say Nato Black, Dark Panzer Grey and Olive, is this one mixture, or eg a very fine mist of each to build up layers? Tks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will5210 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So what's wrong with it then? Looks straight to me. Yes, that's correct & how it should be. Maybe certain batches were different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 A shame technology ousted Rotring Pens, as they would be mighty useful to amateurs (loaded with type T etching ink) for adding the black lining on the P2. These are available on e bay from time to time, and are ideal for lining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 Could you pls clarify. When you say Nato Black, Dark Panzer Grey and Olive, is this one mixture, or eg a very fine mist of each to build up layers? Tks Nato Black was airbrushed on to the tender frames and loco underpinnings and over the top of the boiler casing and tender. The dark Panzer Grey was sprayed over the wheels and loco sides lightly and the Olive drab was used to give a bit more depth on the underpinnings Alternatives you could use are Railmatch Weathered Black, Roof Dirt & Frame Dirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffi_C Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 A shame technology ousted Rotring Pens, as they would be mighty useful to amateurs (loaded with type T etching ink) for adding the black lining on the P2. Still being produced and quite a few specialist stationers carry them. It's not difficult to find online suppliers, such as here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2014 Still being produced and quite a few specialist stationers carry them. It's not difficult to find online suppliers, such as here. Any decent stationers (not the likes of WHS) will stock them. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2014 A shame technology ousted Rotring Pens, as they would be mighty useful to amateurs (loaded with type T etching ink) for adding the black lining on the P2. My missus has got a complete set as she used to work on drawing board. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffi_C Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) A footnote for anyone not familiar with technical drawing pens who's suddenly tempted to get one. Rotring have two major models, the Isograph and the Rapidograph. The Isograph is the model to go for - the Rapidograph can only be used with compatible Rotring ink cartridges. These pens are pretty fragile and very prone to blockage. It's not a good idea to buy used unless you're familiar with how to service them. That warning applies to any old models even if eBay sellers optimistically describe them as "new". Edited September 5, 2014 by Steffi_C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Slightly Weathered? Only to happy to oblige cotn_lhfan.jpg Very nice! Sort of "in use and cared for", rather like the pic I posted of 2001 crossing the Forth Bridge (#1224). Just a teensyweensy query. Isn't the tender bulkhead a tad clean? (grabs tinhat and starts running...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 One thing I am intrigued to know, does the super detail version have the lining on the back of the tender? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Very nice! Sort of "in use and cared for", rather like the pic I posted of 2001 crossing the Forth Bridge (#1224). Just a teensyweensy query. Isn't the tender bulkhead a tad clean? (grabs tinhat and starts running...) Actually I had thought it was, when the tender bulkheads are black I tend not to weather them. Will sort it out after my night shifts :/ Tin hat won't shield you from an ICBM blast Edited September 6, 2014 by toboldlygo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I've a set of Rotringalikes (Faber-Castell), 0.25, 0.35 and 0.5 I never thought of using them! Time to dig 'em out and give them a cleanup..... As for the chimney height thing, unless you're working from drawings its easy to be misled. Most photos of the engine will be taken at oblique angles and at varying heights above rail level, so the position of the top of the chimney with relation to the deflectors/boiler casing may be difficult to evaluate correctly. The broadside-on picture some posts above may also be misleading as it was probably taken some distance away from the loco at no more than rail level on a plate camera fitted with a lens equivalent to a 50mm lens on a 35mm camera. At that angle the height of the chimney will be difficult to judge. To get the same effect with the model, look at it from about 300mm distance with your eye at rail level... Perspective is everything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi. I've done a bit more with the tender of my P2. The white-black-white lining has been added on the tender sides. A start, just a start for today, has been made on some of the red framing lining. On the rear of the tender, handrails and lamp-irons have all been added as separate items. For the lamp-irons I used number 16 staples. Again, Alan Gibson handrail knobs -small. The handrails being made out of 0.45mm nickle-silver wire. . More is to come... All the best, Market65. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The running video which follows my recent review Footage of the new Hornby Railroad LNER P2, 'Cock O' The North' in action, hauling a rake of 4 matching Super Detail LNER Teaks. An extremely smooth running model indeed, handling the rake with ease! Can't recommend this model highly enough! She will be sure to feature in many future videos, plus hauled longer rakes too! Please check out my review for a more detailed look into the model. Plus thanks to robmcg/Robbie on RMweb, for creating the superb image at the end, featuring my model! Hope you enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tYgQxWoc9o 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w4rrn Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I called in at the model shop in Pickering yesterday opposite the NYMR station and they happened to have a railroad P2 in stock, I must say it looks very impressive, absolute bargain :-). I was very very tempted to buy it. But I resisted... As I have an enhanced version on preorder already. Whilst I was in the shop there was another chap, who said he's hanging on till the Bugatti/A4 front end version comes out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 For someone who asked for a Bugati version and Turbomotive, while by using quantum looping, I have managed to send back photos from 5 years into your future of the future Hornby ones : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Received mine today having caved in yesterday after reading some of the posts on here, even though I've the full fat version on order as well! I must say that for something which costs only 80 quid, I'm seriously impressed with what Hornby have managed to achieve and produce with this model and I look forward to the fully lined out version. It's certainly impressive and runs very smoothly. Roll on Earl Marischal (without the extra deflectors please) and Prince of Wales! My current abode is only 10 minutes walk from what was Ferryhill shed, so I wonder if my model could be the first Hornby P2 to return to what really is the proper home for the class. Edited September 5, 2014 by Bon Accord 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) And I did a variation on my earlier pic of the un-adorned RR R3171 version, still the same but added lining here and there with computer editing... would be hard to match toboldlygo's lovely weathering...As to the chimney height, I think a lot of closeups with digital cameras cause all kinds of perspective distortion errors or changes, and I agree that sometimes an angle or focal length-distance effect can cause viewers to see an error which doesn't exist. I personally feel uncomfortable with the widespread reaction by some on RMweb to react to a model or picture by looking for faults and errors.However, Hornby have done well here! I have hand-drawn some lining, painted guard irons, and darkened and lightened a few bits, and generally messed around with things.[ Cheers,Rob Edited September 6, 2014 by robmcg 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Lovely work, Rob! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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