Stevelewis Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I have been able to carry out a running comparison between Mark 1 & Mark 2 MWs on a friends 009 layout...... he has a Mark 1 loco which we modified in the early days do combat pony caused derailing.... by bending the pickups so they did not contact the pony wheel rims, and the ponies were free to move unhindered, this loco then performed fine without derailing, it did suffer valve gear breakage on the left side, bt as it was out of guarantee period he kept the loco and snipped off the loose drop link! This loco has contined to run without issues for several months now. Whem Mark 2 arrived last week it showed all the signs of those reported recently with derailing on points etc, so we decided to do the same to this loco,, so the pickups were moved out of wheel contact AND the centreing brass springs were removed thus making the ponies free moving as with the Mark 1 loco, when tested on the layout it ran perfectly over all the points except one in both directions ( we later found the one point was not quite level so this was rectified and the loco did not derail) The layout has mostly Peco 009 18" radius points, with a couple of 12" and 1 'Y' point minimum radius is around 12" It would appear that the lack of pony power collection does not have any adverse affect on running qualities of the locos Hope this info is useful 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 How good is the slow running capability? L the vids I've seen show it moving fast. I'm tempted but £200 for a loco that derails on points makes me worry about overall quality control and if anything will fall off on this batch too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Very good running at slow speed and the breakages on the valve gear can be avoided by gently tweaking out the drop link that occasionally fouls the con rod. So far I have done three things:- 1- Flattened the pony pickups as they were lifting the drivers off causing slipping. 2- Gently bent out the drop link as some were clearly leaning in and fouled every time and others occasionally as the axles moved sideways on curves. 3- Eased off the pony centre springs. That allowed them to run ok on 18” points and generally but I still get derailing on 12” points and I can see the frames pushing the wheel over. They will crawl through but any sort of realistic slow running or faster and they drop off! One loco has 1mm more space between the frames at the pony trucks and derails less so this seems to be the way to go on mine, easing out the clearances. Edited January 8, 2019 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingolatic Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 For those who are unsure whether to buy one of these I'll add my thoughts, and I can report that I'm absolutely delighted with my Heljan Yeo. It certainly won't tolerate tight curves - it suffered a derailed front pony truck every time it encountered the curved (18" radius?) point in the corner of my layout, until I realised that the driving wheels were still on the 12" curve leading into the point at the moment the pony lifted, and a 'kink' where point and curve met had tightened the radius. It was the job of a moment to slew the point inwards to eliminate the kink and Yeo has not had a problem since. I am perhaps fortunate that my current layout was designed and built - several years ago now - with the Heljan Manning Wardle in mind, and features a minimum curve radius of 12". Other than the curved 'N' scale point mentioned above, it is laid with Peco 009 'Mainline' 18" points so curves are relatively gentle by 009 standards. However, some of the track is less than perfectly laid - there are a couple of horrifically bumpy joins across baseboards for instance - but Yeo negotiates everything without problem. Like others, I have readjusted the pony centring springs, which don't seem to serve any useful purpose, and I've had to tweak the cowcatchers up very slightly to cope with a rather abrupt change in gradient but as someone who's modelled in 009 for 35+ years, I finally have a British outline loco that really looks the part and runs very smoothly. It was expensive, but I'm over the moon with it and I think worth every penny. Had I the spare cash, I'd be buying another. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 My replacement TAW was collected today and on the rolling road for an hour and it runs very smoothly. So far no catching of the linkage. I now need ot set up the 009 layout to tweak the pony trucks and test the loco through the 12" turnouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thanks for replies. I'm sold on it then and my Minehead and Lynmouth will soon be getting one to help out my two ex-WD Baldwins. It looks quite powerful too - presumably OK with four bogies up mild gradients? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thanks for replies. I'm sold on it then and my Minehead and Lynmouth will soon be getting one to help out my two ex-WD Baldwins. It looks quite powerful too - presumably OK with four bogies up mild gradients? Without modification to the pony truck pick ups EXE wouldn't pull itself but with mods as previously mentioned by Paul RHB I have had mine hauling 4 Peco L & B coaches on the level and it will probably pull more although I dont have any gradients ot test it on. I have checked the back to back of the pony trucks on TAW and they were too wide according to my gauge that gets used on all my N and 009 stock. After filing the ends of each axle , both pony trucks now match my gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Thanks for replies. I'm sold on it then and my Minehead and Lynmouth will soon be getting one to help out my two ex-WD Baldwins. It looks quite powerful too - presumably OK with four bogies up mild gradients? For info the MW weighs around 138 Grammes so plenty of adhesive weight, the Baldwins weigh around 60 ish grammes they will haul 2 PECO coaches up a 1 in 25 18" radius curved incline. My three MARK 1 MWs would each haul 4 x Peco bogie coaches up the same incline with no hesitation, until they were eventually returned to the retailer for refunds when their valve gear fell off! Edited January 8, 2019 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted January 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2019 Heljan have just posted on their Facebook page that several consignments of new locomotives are due in Denmark next week. This includes the following Manning Wardles: 9953 SOUTHERN (1927-9) E760 ‘EXE’9954 SOUTHERN 759 ‘YEO'9955 L&B 1362 ‘EXE'9956 L&B 1363 ‘TAW’ Not too sure what the turnaround times are usually between arrival at Heljan Denmark and arrival in our local model railway stores? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2019 my replacement TAW has been running on the test track fine today but still needs testing on the layout next time I set it up. it has had the same mods as my EXE so should run OK. I have now fitted the Greenwich couplers minus the loop as the spigots for the hinges bit foul the cow catcher. I have bent over the end of the coupler to create extra thickness to fit into the factory fitted NEM box, plus cranked them and held in place with Canopy glue. I will eventually fit the Dapol Easi shunt couplers but that will be quite a task on all the kit built wagons that I built many years ago. After fitting these couplers the loco has been tested again on the tight curves of the test track. I have also made up full couplers to go into the Langleys flat car fitted with Peco bogies and the Peco coaches. They have been cranked the same as the loco. YEO has now been ordered. Shame that its around £210. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2019 A short video of TAW pulling a train around my test circuit. 14.5" radius curves and handling the 5 coaches and Langley brass flat car with ease 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted January 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2019 I’ve just received an email to indicate that my pre-order of Yeo has been dispatched, so it looks like the next batch has just hit the shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just got TAW and I'm thrilled with her. I tried a couple in the shop and running quality did vary a little so would advise testing before purchase. Mine runs very well, with occasional stalling on 2nd radius so if you are building a new layout it's something to bear in mind. Works absolutely fine across peco n gauge large radius points and 3rd radius track. My Minehead and Lynmouth Light Railway now has a larger engine to help my two Baldwins with the heavy summer traffic. Only downside is it's so good I may have to buy EXE as well... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The new batch are now all in stock Images added, take a look: https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/2573/oo9-l-b-locomotives?fbclid=IwAR0NxB-ROWywfJahUt7-UaK3ss0_Bgnnovl_yIOeCsG2ygXm35jgNxg1S78 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Fortunately for me, I've already got a version of 'Exe', otherwise I'd have bought the one in transitional livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) One thing I have noticed is that the front footplate has been fixed on at an angle. This shows up on the above photos of the latest batch. I have taken them off on my two with great care using a knife to slice between the buffer plate and side frames cutting through the mounting spigot, filed the plastic chassis frames and reattached them. They now look a lot better. has nayone got the plastic pipeowrk that comes as a separate item ot actually fit? I have tried but it fouls the top valve gear link. I am now going to fabricate these pipes from brass wire. Edited January 23, 2019 by roundhouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2019 I’m sticking with original brakes as I’ll just knock off the pipe! 1932 I think they fitted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2019 I suppose that I could get away without them as I am planning on modelling Blackmoor Gate either 1935 at closure, or 1930 before they took a siding off the loop out of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 One of the pipes would be for steam heat which was fitted early 30's. The other pipe would be the vacuum brake pipe linking either end with the brake cylinder which were fitted from the opening. The main vac bag is fitted as standard. My Yeo came with the steam heat hose in the bag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yes the pipe Ian is talking about is the steam heat fitted in 32. It was a retro fit to all of them so as I’m modelling a fictious branch I’m leaving it off as the sun always shines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2019 Both pipes are supplied loose with my ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Has anyone looked at using the chassis for other projects? As far as I am aware, this is the first outside-framed Prairie on 9mm track RTR, which has decent potential for use as a donor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Rather an expensive way of getting a chassis, especially for OO9-ers who are renown for giving the Scots a run for their money when it comes to spending! I think the "issues" may put people off too, though as an 0-6-0 rather than a 2-6-2 chassis it may have some uses, adding your own pony trucks/bogies may solve most of the issues! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I figured this would be too dear for a builder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2019 There are far cheaper options if you want an outside framed six coupled chassis, the Farish 08 and Roco Feldbahn loco are both under £100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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