RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hi Mike I agree with your comments to a degree, however I did not consider the MMI K class locos too expensive. The quality was superb . . . . . Loconuts Too expensive? No but blummin expensive nevertheless and needed a bit spending on a replacement sound unit too but mine are staying put as it seems the chance of any other manufacturer doing these in 1/48th anywhere near that price is zero. Compare the Heljan price to Bemo and Roco and they look pretty good, plus Heljan has already produced some stunning HO steam for their home market so my confidence is high. I sacrificed a 16mm one for a 009 fleet I could use more often. I have to say though that the video of the SR liveried Lyd on the L&B coaches at Woody Bay means mine will probably be often worked at the transition period so I can justify a bit of crossover of the liveries whatever the actual history was 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Does anyone have any idea of the ratio of 009 modellers versus 7mm ng modellers? roughly half the size boom tish 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcampbell Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Does anyone have any idea of the ratio of 009 modellers versus 7mm ng modellers? I've never seen a survey, or compared the membership of the relative societies, but 009 is definitely more common at shows and in magazines. Over on the NGRM forum there are boards for 4mm scale (predominantly 009) with 626 topics, and 7mm scale (including 14 and 16.5mm gauge) with 348 topics. 3.5mm scale (164) and 1/4" scale (140) are separate. Whether that is a representative barometer I don't know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Too expensive? No but blummin expensive nevertheless and needed a bit spending on a replacement sound unit too but mine are staying put as it seems the chance of any other manufacturer doing these in 1/48th anywhere near that price is zero. Compare the Heljan price to Bemo and Roco and they look pretty good, plus Heljan has already produced some stunning HO steam for their home market so my confidence is high. I sacrificed a 16mm one for a 009 fleet I could use more often. I have to say though that the video of the SR liveried Lyd on the L&B coaches at Woody Bay means mine will probably be often worked at the transition period so I can justify a bit of crossover of the liveries whatever the actual history was Hi Paul, I don't know much about the prices of Bemo or Roco, however having purchased all of the MMI range with a few spare I do disagree with the blummin expensive statement. It depends on which end of the market you are coming from, the 4mm end and yes they look expensive from the 7mm end they are not considered expensive. This is a 1/4 scale model, not HO. Look what you have to pay for the Blackstone HOn3 models, I believe it is around the same price as the MMI ones and they still sell very well. I stated that they were about the same length as a British 7mm scale 4-4-0 tender loco, for a while my K-28 stood in front of a Martin Finney 'Bulldog'. The K-28 cost me at the time £290, the 'Bulldog' sold for over £2000 pounds. I agree the sound decoders in the first K-27's were rubbish and I now have Tsunamis fitted to the locos. But the detail and finish is superb and I have not had a bad runner. Also the gap between each introduction was such that you could save up between each one. I don't suffer from my eyeballs being bigger than my wallet as many modelers in this country do, you know the ones, I want one of those and one of those etc. Also I have nevered wanted something for nothing, if it was too expensive I will walk away. Having built Locos for other people I have had to deal with this type of person and rather than agreeing to their price I have walked away. No all things considering the MMI range was fairly priced, double the projected Heljan price and you would be in the MMI price range but you are paying for a 009 (4mm) Tank Engine which would be half the loco in 1/4 scale. Also this is a projected price by Heljan, memories of the Lionheart 7mm scale 45XX which had a projected price of around £800 came in around the £1200 and yet it still sold. If it is a good model then people will buy it, rubbish model then you can pick one up at discounted prices. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2014 Test mouldings and castings in Heljans cabinet at the NEC, and they look good 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I suppose that the nearest to a "universal" 009 loco would be a Baldwin 4-6-0 PT? Ed That turned well!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Difficult, if not impossible question to answer. Whilst there's certainly plenty of Baldwins around many of the German manufacturers made small 0-4-0Ts that were also very widespread and were also copied by other foreign manufacturers that could equally be regarded as "universal"... If you ask people (especially SG people) what they think a typical narrow gauge loco looks like they'll come up with a small 0-4-0T or 0-6-0T... It's not just about numbers produced either, it's about the lines themselves which varied far more than SG... Personally I'd put a "Continental" Style 0-4-0T or 0-6-0T as being more "universal", i.e. more widespread, than a Baldwin, but that's purely a personal point of view... However Mintrians already do a couple of them so no worries there! Edited December 10, 2014 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Off topic but has anyone tried digitizing a MINITRAINS Loco? May be a little difficult with the 0-4-0 the 0-8-0 may be a bettter proposition when it becomes available, Has anyone any general feedback re the Minitrains loco running qualities> I have heard of a couple of disatissified buyers alhough any one looking for an 0-6-0 may consider the Roco 0-6-0T, which I know is digitizable with a very small decoder and hard wiring ( decoder space under the cab roof) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2014 Steve I've not digitised mine but Stainz and two F&C 0-4-0's I have run beautifully. There have been a small number of the 0-8-0's have something come loose, on the rods I think it was, but they were replaced. Generally they all seem to be well liked and James Hilton and the chaps under the Narrow Planet brand are offering a range of 3D printed shells to convert to other types too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcampbell Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You might find this link useful: http://www.minitrains.eu/mt-tech.html All the "modern" Minitrains locos I've seen run superbly, it is really hard to believe how smoothly they run for such little locos. I've got a couple of F&C chassis awaiting "projects", but I've seen the 0-8-0 and other 0-4-0's running too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 LATEST Info from HATTONS: Heljan 00-9 L&B 2-6-2 "Expected" Jan to March 2016. There must be lots of lonely Peco L&B rolling stock patiently waiting, ( and quite a few abandoned or mothballed projects I guess!) Another retailer did say to me in Feb dont expect the loc for at least a year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Time to get the layout ready for the stock Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Time to get the layout ready for the stock Steve Time to get the layout ready for the stock Steve Given up on the plans Sold off all the L&B stock already & the track! Goin Back in the garden! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted April 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2015 I can wait as plenty of other items that I have pre ordered which are now due this Autumn and hopefully wont go back too much more!! My 009 boards havent been out for some years (thought they were gonig to Amberley this summer but no space for them on the ned of the original layout now in otehr hands). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 LATEST Info from HATTONS: Heljan 00-9 L&B 2-6-2 "Expected" Jan to March 2016. There must be lots of lonely Peco L&B rolling stock patiently waiting, ( and quite a few abandoned or mothballed projects I guess!) Another retailer did say to me in Feb dont expect the loc for at least a year! By way of refreshing this - Some lonely L&B stock is lonely no more. No more waiting.. There is no need to mothball the project if one can obtain an alternative instrument of locomotive power.. So.. A Glyn Valley tramway model has been conscripted to fulfill the duties of the actual Loco until Heljan mange to deliver. And.. It quite looks the part! (At least I think so.. The GVR to the rescue..) Might it then void the need to acquire Heljan's offering...? ..Probably not. But.. March is still a long time away, and a lot can happen between now and then. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Superb, however to be strictly correct if running on the GVT it should be running cab first. But, as the GVT never had any bogie stock it is obviously running somewhere else, say on the L&B (with a little gauge narrowing) so chimney first is fine....removes tongue from cheek...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I can't renumber if the liveries have been mentioned before, but Gaugemaster has some pictures for the liveries on their website. Yeo: Lynton & Barnstaple Railway http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=HN9950&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Heljan+9950 Exe: Southern Railway http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=HN9951&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Heljan+9951 Taw: Southern Railway http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=HN9952&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Heljan+9952 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well it likes 9inch radii then as that looks to be Peco setrack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty.J Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://www.mremag.com/index.php/news/406-hlejanlbWould have been better if this topic was placed under Heljan with OO9 tags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted October 19, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://www.mremag.com/index.php/news/406-hlejanlb Would have been better if this topic was placed under Heljan with OO9 tags. I have picked up from another forum that the latest issue of Railway Modeller being delivered to subscribers has details of a ready to run OO9 loco from Heljan based on the Lynton and Barnstaple 2-6-2 Exe, Tor and Yeo. There is also speculation that Heljan didn't produce the chassis? Anyone got any more information Mike When I first posted here over 2 & half years ago, it seemed logical to put it in the 'Narrow Gauge' modelling section as nobody would have thought to go looking on the Heljan pages for something that at the time was simply speculation. Only those who view 'New Content' daily would have seen it whereas in the 'Narrow Gauge' section, it would be seen by all those with an interest in NG. You will note that my original posting ended with a question as I had not seen the article being quoted on another forum and so I could not be certain of the facts. If there is a general consensus that this is in the wrong place then I could ask for it to be moved but I am content to leave things as they are. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted October 19, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2015 OH ! It looks like someone reported my post above as I was advised by a Moderator that it had been moved to the Heljan section rather than remain in Narrow Gauge . . . . . . Following that logic should the Bachmann announcements be moved out of the Narrow Gauge sectionhttp://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96032-Bachmann-009-skarloey/or perhaps Bachmann On30 belongs in the American sectionhttp://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98666-Bachmann-on30-porters-minimum-radius/Should Peco be in Small Suppliers(actually surprised they don't have a section of their ownhttp://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95589-peco-announces-rtr-gvt-00-9-coaches/ They are all Narrow Gauge and in my mind they are in the correct place. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Mike, With so many potentially overlapping forums it is inevitable that threads will potentially change direction and end up appearing to be in what seems to be the wrong one. I started a general Peco thread a while ago and was also surprised that it didn't have it's own forum, however if contemplating aspects of track there are several you could choose from eg. Small Suppliers; Permanent Way, Signalling and Infrastructure; Electrics (non DCC); Layout and Track Design; DCC Questions and many others, including maybe even Railway Modeller. I never know where to put On30, Narrow Gauge Modelling and Prototype or USA and Canadian Railroads.......? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty.J Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 When I first posted here over 2 & half years ago, it seemed logical to put it in the 'Narrow Gauge' modelling section as nobody would have thought to go looking on the Heljan pages for something that at the time was simply speculation. Only those who view 'New Content' daily would have seen it whereas in the 'Narrow Gauge' section, it would be seen by all those with an interest in NG. You will note that my original posting ended with a question as I had not seen the article being quoted on another forum and so I could not be certain of the facts. If there is a general consensus that this is in the wrong place then I could ask for it to be moved but I am content to leave things as they are. . Well that does make sense. I just mentioned that because I forgot to use the search bar to locate the topic. I just checked the Heljan sub-forum. It never struck me to check the OO9 forum. My mistake. Infact I opened a new thread in the Heljan section due to my absent mindedness. And that's when I discovered the thread. OH ! It looks like someone reported my post above as I was advised by a Moderator that it had been moved to the Heljan section rather than remain in Narrow Gauge . . . . . . Following that logic should the Bachmann announcements be moved out of the Narrow Gauge section http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96032-Bachmann-009-skarloey/ or perhaps Bachmann On30 belongs in the American section http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98666-Bachmann-on30-porters-minimum-radius/ Should Peco be in Small Suppliers(actually surprised they don't have a section of their own http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95589-peco-announces-rtr-gvt-00-9-coaches/ They are all Narrow Gauge and in my mind they are in the correct place. . Well it certainly wasn't me who reported your thread. I found your previous explanation quite valid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Well that does make sense. I just mentioned that because I forgot to use the search bar to locate the topic. I just checked the Heljan sub-forum. It never struck me to check the OO9 forum. My mistake. Infact I opened a new thread in the Heljan section due to my absent mindedness. And that's when I discovered the thread. You're not alone! Thanks to your being re-directed, I found the thread too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Is there any reason why this topic cannot be in NG and Heljan sections at the same time? Edited October 19, 2015 by Ohmisterporter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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