RBE Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Too right. The reason I did those was the cost of fitting DGs to every wagon when there was no need. Trouble is the time to make the pipey ones are actually more than making a DG. Haha Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Cracking stuff Cav. I'd be very interested in the 3D printing option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 OO or N mate? Ok so a bit of a dig out if anyone can help. I bought these wagons as they are spanking new and got em for a steal. 10 wagon rake of VTG telescopic hoods. Around plenty of years before the layouts timescale so runnable no worries. What I need is someone to make up suggest a possible working for a rake of these through Millers Dale in 1987. I like them way too much not to use so thinking caps on please chaps! Cav 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBM37404 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 OO or N mate? Ok so a bit of a dig out if anyone can help. I bought these wagons as they are spanking new and got em for a steal. 10 wagon rake of VTG telescopic hoods. Around plenty of years before the layouts timescale so runnable no worries. What I need is someone to make up suggest a possible working for a rake of these through Millers Dale in 1987. I like them way too much not to use so thinking caps on please chaps! Dapol vtg.jpg Cav Am sure you could get away with them coming from the Sheffield area or going to... A lot of stuff in that region conveying Metal products. Suspect they could go to somewhere like Cardiff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I get your thinking about the steel city, but from Sheffield I would think anything going west towards Manchester would go over the hope valley and anything off towards Cardiff would go via Derby and Birmingham. What I really need is something going southeast to northwest or vice versa! Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBM37404 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I get your thinking about the steel city, but from Sheffield I would think anything going west towards Manchester would go over the hope valley and anything off towards Cardiff would go via Derby and Birmingham. What I really need is something going southeast to northwest or vice versa! Cav In the North West Shotton was the main Metals hub which it still has traffic too from Cardiff in Telescopics. You could have a flow from London which is deemed too much of a slow one for the WCML. Not a lot of Metals traffic in the South East compared to the Northern WCML and South Wales which is were much of it ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I can accept the option of running London to the northwest freights via the peak if the option was available to keep traffic off of the much higher speed WCML. Ill buy that. Would a British Steel Sheerness to Shotton covered coils be do-able do you think? Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBM37404 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I can accept the option of running London to the northwest freights via the peak if the option was available to keep traffic off of the much higher speed WCML. Ill buy that. Would a British Steel Sheerness to Shotton covered coils be do-able do you think? Cav Could work as a train, production at Shotton ceased in the 80s but if you over look that then a train on that run could be feasible. Haulage would probably be a pair of 37s or a 56. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) OO or N mate? N primarily, but could be tempted by OO as well! Edited April 23, 2013 by branchie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ok cool Ill look into it. It will all depend on whether I can get them printed with enough strength at acceptable fineness. Will be worth a go though for sure. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Could work as a train, production at Shotton ceased in the 80s but if you over look that then a train on that run could be feasible. Haulage would probably be a pair of 37s or a 56. Ill probably use it as an excuse to run a 56 or two. There will be plenty of 37 action on stone. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2013 I get your thinking about the steel city, but from Sheffield I would think anything going west towards Manchester would go over the hope valley and anything off towards Cardiff would go via Derby and Birmingham. What I really need is something going southeast to northwest or vice versa! Cav Rule 1 applies! What happens when the Hope Valley route is closed for engineering or other "incidents"? Blackburn used to receive [*] deliveries of steel from various locations, mainly Lackenby - why not Sheffield? Cheers, Mick [*] There is still the odd working to Blackburn with BYA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I like it Mick. I am not planning on holding up a board saying what every train is but no doubt someone would ask haha. Its nice to have an answer. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Maybe you should think about what else might be different on the railway map if Millers Dale were still open. Possibilities for retention include the north to east curve at Ambergate and the Codnor Park/Pye Bridge to Ambergate line. If I remember correctly, Dr Beeching's closure proposals were rather different to what actually happened in the Peak District. Maybe the Hope Valley line was closed in favour of Woodhead, which was Dr Beeching's plan, I believe. That way, freight from Rotherham and Sheffield might easily run via Chesterfield, Clay Cross and Ambergate to avoid congestion, engineering works or whatever on the Woodhead line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 That is actually a very good point. It may well have been a reversal of roles for the hope valley line and the peak. I'm liking this more and more. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hello Cav Earlier today I found "Millers Dale in the 80s" and thought...blue diesels...hills...this will be interesting, then spent the afternoon reading through all 16 pages. Later by coincidence I discovered you'd found S+C 79-83! I've always liked the idea of modelling re-opened lines with a rationalised track plan running as a1980s/90s "what might have been.". I'll definitely be following progress on the layout and also your work detailing locos and interesting experiments with N Gauge couplings. Not sure if I missed a post but, did you ever find out if the modified Peak bogie will go round 2nd rad curves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hi thanks for joining the journey. Hopefully the layout proper will begin soon. The old layout is due to go at the end of this week leaving the opening clear to start. As for the peak, yes it will go around 2nd radius. It will actually go on 1st radius track, I had a couple of lengths to try it on, so my concerns were not just. The loco looks much better for it too. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Ok so Ive done the first prelim couplers and I dont think they look bad. Comments please! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) just a minor point , the pipes wouldn't usually cross over in an X as you've designed them , looking head-on at a buffer beam , the brake pipe (red cock) and main reservoir air pipe (yellow cock) are side by side on one side of the coupler , so when two vehicles go together , the pipes hang diagonally across the shunter would tie themselves in knots making the pipes as drawn. Edited April 25, 2013 by Supaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Those couplings looking fantastic Cav. However I do agree with supaned on the pipes. Apart from that, I'm looking forward to seeing how they look on the stock, will certainly make a difference to the overall look and would definitely be interested in some of these myself. Best regards, Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Ok chaps Ill change them over and see how they look. The reason I did them as I did was twofold. 1 the brassmasters ones linked to earlier in the thread were like that. 2 I wanted to keep the forces on the coupling even about the centre axis as in N these are very small and hence fragile. Those hoses are only 0.7mm diameter and I dont want them to snap. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2013 just a minor point , the pipes wouldn't usually cross over in an X as you've designed them , looking head-on at a buffer beam , the brake pipe (red cock) and main reservoir air pipe (yellow cock) are side by side on one side of the coupler , so when two vehicles go together , the pipes hang diagonally across the shunter would tie themselves in knots making the pipes as drawn. Apologies for the O/T question. Most trains now only use the main red air pipe on a single system. When was the general use of the yellow reservoir pipe dropped? (Even though vehicles were still fitted with main and reservoir) Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 No worries at nothing is O/T yet. There are allsorts of things flying around on this thread. Interesting question actually. I added two pipes as I need to keep the strength. It really wont work with 1 pipe I dont think. Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Looks like a clever Plot mate, good design work. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Apologies for the O/T question. Most trains now only use the main red air pipe on a single system. When was the general use of the yellow reservoir pipe dropped? (Even though vehicles were still fitted with main and reservoir) Cheers, Mick As far as I know , most freight wagons there days are only fitted with an air brake pipe , the one with the red cock. The main reservoir supply through the yellow pipe isn't really needed on freight stock as the 10 BAR supply is mainly used on passenger stock to deal with air powered sliding internal doors or air suspension bags where fitted. I'm afraid I couldn't say how many freight wagons had a main res pipe , but I can't imagine them being that common. Also bear in mind that some wagons were dual braked (air and vacuum) and would have been fitted with the ribbed vacuum pipe for that purpose . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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