Great British Locomotives

[Smiffy2]

Then we'll say it again. We don't know.

But a King has appeared in the list, and we don't know where that is in the order. Most likely they'll just move everything up, if they can. In which case it will be the Peak. Or do the King to replace Locomotion. Or maybe Rocket, which was also on the list, but not scheduled in the first 20.

 

I do hope this thread doesn't become a wishlistfest...

 

On another note I've got the plans and ordered some parts to convert the Castle to a Star using the 28xx boiler and a scratch built cab. Might work, might be a disaster...

[46256]

Dear tooth grinder, head scratcher....no wish lister am I , sorry to perplex you in its manner . Please rest assured no such vexations will emanate from this source again....

[Smiffy2]

Super. It would be hard to bear, seeing other threads...

 

I'm hoping it's the Peak, because then the T9 comes sooner. Maybe.

[darrel]

Going by previous model announcements I would expect the next one after the 4MT to be posted on their website at some point tomorrow. And then there will be a flood of froth on here shortly afterwards.

They seem to post it the Friday before the next issue comes out. I would imagine they are already sat in a top secret high security warehouse protected by the army navy air force armed police SWAT teams and the salvation army

[Peter Kazmierczak]

 

....................Would love to know what is coming with Rocket due to it's small size. It would be dwarfed on the plinth.....................

  

Unless it was a Saturn 5.................

[cb900f]

"I wouldn't class a Peak as a truly great loco".

 

That is your opinion and obviously you have never worked on Cromptons (class 45).

 

Personally I would not  consider Scotsman a truly great locomotive, in actual fact I detest the thing.

 

Having spoken with staff who worked on the loco in BR days apparently it was not one of the the better A3s.

 

Apologies for shattering any illusions.

 

Pete

[Smiffy2]

I think John's point about the visual similarity between a 9F and Britannia to the untrained eye is important. We believe we are going to have a King to follow the Castle, and I suspect that most members of the public would be pushed to tell the difference, especially if both are green. Perhaps if the King were to be blue it would be different. Perhaps if it's six months down the line.

 

That marks a watershed, in a way. If you are going to produce locos that are essentially similar but highly desirable to those in the fancy then you are altering the focus of the whole venture from mass to specialist sales, smaller volumes and lower margins - and they don't look high at the moment.

[darrel]

I suppose we could argue that to the man or woman on the street a Deltic and a peak would look similar as well. They both have noses after all. Don't get me wrong I would be happy if they did a class 37, so many things I could do with them. But it could be seen as similar as well.

[Smiffy2]

That's right. Possibly it would have been better to go for the LMS 10000 or the GWR Brown-Boveri, but then they are restricted by the availability of r-t-r that's old enough that no-one will find it worth their while to object to the copying.

 

I must admit that I had to Google the Peaks to see what they looked like.

[rowanj]

I think John's point about the visual similarity between a 9F and Britannia to the untrained eye is important.

 

I doubt it matters that much to GBL,if they need to find another 28 prototypes to complete the series. They are surely going to produce models they can scan from Hornby and Bachmann and possibly Heljan. This makes a Brit, prototype Deltic, Standard 5MT/4MT, WD, CL37 as real possibilities. LNER A1/2....the list goes on....

Personally,I'm happy to wait and see.

Edited August 29, 2014 by rowanj

[Londontram]

I guess it would be nice if the peak was an all green 44 rather than most likely a blue 45 but as we know they'll go with one they can copy

[Smiffy2]

It's Butler Henderson/D11 next.

 

I've just had my subscription Compound and 4MT delivered and it's in the magazine.

 

That blows all my predictions out of the water...

 

Quick impression of the tanky thingy when I've had a coffee. Photos if you want.

 

(Only looked through the packaging, but the Compound seems to have had a hard life already...)

Edited August 29, 2014 by Smiffy2

[Smiffy2]

So if my original list was OK (and it was until Locomotion was dropped) there's no Peak - or at least not yet. So all we know of to come are the 45xx and the T9, with a number of locos mentioned but no clear idea of when:

 

Peak (possibly)

Inter City 125

Stephenson's Rocket

Southern 2-6-0 N

Western

Princess 4-6-2

J39 0-6-0

King 4-6-0

[69843]

It's Butler Henderson/D11 next.

Shh....don't tell Simon. He'll go broke hunting down every issue he can!

[BlueLightning]

If anyone knows of suitable driver and fireman for Rocket, would welcome any info as I had no crew with mine.

 

I brought the Dapol kit from eBay and used the crew from that for mine. I have also been tempted to build the kit and replace some of the original parts as they seem better detailed that the original model although I have the Tri-ang version I image the same tooling was used.

 

Gary

[Smiffy2]

The Dapol kit has nothing to do with the Triang model, being the offshoot of the Kitmaster/Airfix kit - which does have some decent figures if you get rid of the silly top hats (unless you are modelling the Rainhill Trials).

[BlueLightning]

The Dapol kit has nothing to do with the Triang model, being the offshoot of the Kitmaster/Airfix kit - which does have some decent figures if you get rid of the silly top hats (unless you are modelling the Rainhill Trials).

 

To clarify I meant that I believe Hornby used the older Tri-ang tooling for the later special edition kit with no modifications. The Dapol kit to me (remembering that I haven't actually bothered to build it as I only wanted the crew) Looks much better detailed especially on the tender.

[petethemole]

Are these being less widely stocked now? I'm thinking mainly of WH Smug. The Southampton branch hasn't had these for ages but yesterday there were no 4MTs at Eastleigh and I doubt they had sold out in a day. The space now holds the new Mallard and U-boat mags. I didn't want a 4MT but if WHS are dropping them in more branches it will affect people in areas whre there are no/few other options. As a large city Soton has some good newsagents that carry the partworks but smaller towns may not. Also, if sales fall due to its absence from a major chain, the continuation of the series may be in doubt.

 

Pete

[Smiffy2]

The 4MT hasn't gone on sale yet, we've received ours early as subscribers.

[Wild Boar Fell]

Are these being less widely stocked now? I'm thinking mainly of WH Smug. The Southampton branch hasn't had these for ages but yesterday there were no 4MTs at Eastleigh and I doubt they had sold out in a day. The space now holds the new Mallard and U-boat mags. I didn't want a 4MT but if WHS are dropping them in more branches it will affect people in areas whre there are no/few other options. As a large city Soton has some good newsagents that carry the partworks but smaller towns may not. Also, if sales fall due to its absence from a major chain, the continuation of the series may be in doubt.

 

Pete

The 4MT comes out on Wednesday next week.

Regards,

Wild Boar Fell

 

Edit: Too slow

Edited August 29, 2014 by Wild Boar Fell

[Smiffy2]

Some early photos of the 4MT.

 

I leave others to judge on whether or not it's accurate, but bits of it seem a bit crude to me.

[Smiffy2]

Should have said that this one's going back in its plastic cocoon for swapsies, if anyone's interested. I'm open to offers on the Compound as well.

[petethemole]

The 4MT comes out on Wednesday next week.

 

Thanks, that explains it. I could have sworn it was a fortnight since I bought the Compound. Time must be dragging.  I doubt if I'll buy the 4MT but I'd like to see one in the flesh as it were. I'm mainly interested in the SR and GWR types to detail and use as static MPD dwellers. I bought the Compound because it was my favourite loco class as a lad, even though I never saw one in service. I did get the Bassett-Lowke clockwork model, which I still have. 

 

Pete

[rowanj]

There is a big difference between a wishlist and speculation based on what has gone before..Previous models have been firmly based on Hornby or Bachmann clones - some of them not too old either- and unless WM with his contacts knows differently, I don't see why this should change for the remaining 28 or so. You would also have assumed that GBL would produce stuff based on mass appeal, so Tornado, Blue Peter, blue Deltic, Britannia might apply. Other regions will have their equivalents. Do the public really think that a blue prototype and green production Deltic are similar. Even to modellers,t hey don't look the same. Try converting one to the other and see how easy it is! We want accuracy, non-modellers want colour or locos they may have heard of.

I'm glad the "froth" is amusing some people. I don't care one way or the other, though I confess I would prefer that, if individual guesses are known to be wide of the mark by those in the know, they would say so If confidentiality is an issue, surely it's best to say nothing.

I've tried in my posts to show what can be done by someone of moderate skill with these models, and wish more people would do likewise. Surely this is how we learn to be modellers?

[Horsetan]

Some early photos of the 4MT.

....

 

I leave others to judge on whether or not it's accurate, but bits of it seem a bit crude to me.

 

See, this is what I don't understand about the subscription system. It seems that some subscribers are not getting their instalments at all, whereas some are getting theirs much earlier. If I've understood things correctly, the 4MT isn't supposed to appear in shops until next week....

 

*scratches head, puzzled*