RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) hmmmm, good idea bob, too good!! however i've been using pointwork i have in my spares stock to avoid going out and spending any money or i'd probably relay it as your idea is a much better set up Edited July 13, 2014 by big jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 hmmmm, good idea bob, too good!! however i've been using pointwork i have in my spares stock to avoid going out and spending any money or i'd probably relay it as your idea is a much better set up Understand Jim.....Double slips not the cheapest of items.......and dont you think the space between the edge of the base board and the depot is asking for a headshunt or storage line.?? But you know me Jim......if there is a space, put some track in it. Bob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2014 I did consider an extra line alongside the edge of the board but its quite narrow and i dont want to knock anything off with my belly when i turn round!! Anyway a few pics from today First up i wired up the point motors Then i fitted the points to the board Added the point motors Then fitted the tracks in between Next up i wired all the feeds in, the line to the fuel point is t properly wired yet as thats the only line ive not fixed down yet forgot to take a pic of the locos with their lights on before i turned the power off but all lines are live in the shed now Ive decided to leave the shed in the same place as i placed it the other night, this is the other end 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Been a great therapeutic session with loads done transforming the station area big time, nice 1 Jim. edit: forgot to stay I do like that shed well different from the normal usual sheds. Edited July 13, 2014 by yorkie_pudd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Dicky Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Brilliant layout Jim, but can I suggest you desist from using Laco flux for electrical soldering. It is an acid based flux mainly used by plumbers because it has a cleaning effect it means they do not have to hand clean copper pipe joints. It may be doing a grand job with your soldering but long term you could find problems from residual acid. Any residual flux needs to be flushed away with water, easy to do in a pipe but not recommended for a PCB. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) thanks, i am no good at soldering as it is and have been struggling with it to be honest! what do you recommend to use instead (ie something from maplin) Edited July 14, 2014 by big jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2014 Hi Jim, Look for cored solder specifically for electrical joints. They usually have non-corrosive fluxes within the solder wire that leave no harmful residues. Multicore make a good range and some of those with a small content of silver are the best - it helps the solder flow. They may be expensive, but electrical reliability needs to be high on the list. The other two essential ingredients are heat and cleanliness of the joint. Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hybridangel77 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I want your network south east class 03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2014 its a modelzone etd, you can still get them if you look in the right place that one is also sound chipped with howes sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 its a modelzone etd, you can still get them if you look in the right place that one is also sound chipped with howes sounds Any chance of video Jim,would luv to here that sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 16, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2014 Any chance of video Jim,would luv to here that sound i'll get a vid at some point had a sneaky afternoon in the shed today, called into maplin earlier for some new solder tips to replace ones that i think i've damaged with the acid flux, also got some silver solder while i was in there i sportted these mains powered LED lights on offer for £10 there are 4 to a set but one evaded me while i took the first pic they are a very shallow mount with a chrome bezel, and i thought at that price i'd get a set to experiment with, if they didnt light up the shed as hoped i'd use them on the kitchen plinths for low level lighting, the mains plug has a switch in line that then goes in turn to a small 4 way push fit splitter box, the cables are basically bell wire/speaker wire they do put out a surprising amount of light i fitted the switch next to the door with a couple of double sided sticky pads and run the wire up the wall to the splitter i then fitted the lights at regular spaced intervals along the ceiling, slightly to the higher part of the roof, and run the cables inside some stick on trunking i had left over from when i fitted a home cinema (sadly not white!!) as each light has 1.5 M of cable i had to extend the wires from the lights futhest away from the plug but that was just a case of snipping the existing wire and adding some cable in the middle so i could still use the existing push in plug its hard to see in this pic as it was still quite light when i took it but they illuminate the shed really well i'm going to get another set later in the week and mount them on the wall below base board level for low level lighting when i'm working below the boards!! one thing i was wondering was looking at the mains plug it says the output is 12v 0.5A, could i get away with simply using my maplin regulated power supply to run power to the lights, ie just wire the individual light to the power bus i have running round the layout, the supply to that is a 13v max 5A supply or would the ampage be too much? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2014 one thing i was wondering was looking at the mains plug it says the output is 12v 0.5A, could i get away with simply using my maplin regulated power supply to run power to the lights, ie just wire the individual light to the power bus i have running round the layout, the supply to that is a 13v max 5A supply or would the ampage be too much? The amperage isn't a problem. What it means is that your supply will push out up to 5A if needed. Over voltage is the killer. The light will only draw as much current as it needs and as long as the total draw doesn't exceed 5A, then you 'll be OK. Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 16, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2014 so will the 13.4 max output kill them or do LEDs have a bit of electrical 'leeway' the led strips i use for the points indicators are 12v running off the DCC track voltage and i've not had problems with those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2014 so will the 13.4 max output kill them or do LEDs have a bit of electrical 'leeway' the led strips i use for the points indicators are 12v running off the DCC track voltage and i've not had problems with those The 13.4v should be OK. Your DCC track volage is probably about 16-18vAC (of sorts) anyway. It's highly likely that the power supply for the LED's isn't regulated, so could from that. If you are in doubt, then put a couple of diodes in series (1N4001 will do - very cheap!) to drop about 0.6v each. Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 16, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2014 i'll just wire one of the lights to the power supply 'as is' if it blows then i've still got 3 left to use below baseboard level!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Looking good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted July 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2014 I've been playing about with some 12v 10w led modules (5 for just over £10), and looking at ways of powering them. A number of the suppliers state that using anything other than a proper led driver/transformer can reduce the life of the leds. Of course this might just be a sales ploy, but I would have thought that a well regulated supply would be a good idea. I've bought some of the proper devices, but will be using spare power supplies too, for comparison. From what I've so far tried, running one off an H and M safety minor gave a certain amount of flicker. On an earlier dip into leds, I replaced a string of halogen spotlights with led "equivalents" (much dimmer), and managed to blow the psu, as the load was too low for it! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 20, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) did a bit of soldering earlier, had a couple of bits of dead track that needed powering up, following advice futher back in the thread i have switched to using silver solder as well as renewing the tip on the solderer, what a difference it makes, so much easier and tidier to solder now, less heat, less solder per joint etc anyway once it was all up and running i had a play with my Hornby 67 and wsmr coaches, they found a few rough bits of track for me as did the Bachmann 66 with a rake of autoballasters, there are a couple of bits of track that i need to "tamp" a tiny bit to stop the leading axle on the 66 from lifting off the rail but thats for another day here is a vid of the 67 going round the layout http://youtu.be/s9R-sJCiUz8?list=UUcT6CnhGy5uiy8MlzAYkEpQ Edited July 20, 2014 by big jim 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipparooba Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 so will the 13.4 max output kill them or do LEDs have a bit of electrical 'leeway' the led strips i use for the points indicators are 12v running off the DCC track voltage and i've not had problems with those hi jim you might see that the leds for your points will flicker very fast as the power from track power it dirty power like the ohel led,s use drivers / transformers because it is a cleaner power. . a lap top transformer are good also as they have things in them to clean up the power . . well i hope im right anyway goin of what ive been told cheers ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d winpenny Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Looking good jim great video David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Love the video Jim, that 67 seems to make light work of the gradients! Kind regards, Jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 27, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2014 Nothing diesel wise has struggled on the gradients yet, the 4MT is limited to 4 coaches though! May have a few more days on the layout this coming week, going to try and get an extra point decoder fitted for the depot points, maybe get the points motors fitted in the P way yard and wired up to the points decoders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Jim A great looking layout here I have seen your down at the tracks thread but to my shame I didn't realise you had model railways too. You have certainly captured the look and feel of the current railway with all those colourfull locos. Is a Colas 37 and 60 on the way soon? Regards Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1059 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 did a bit of soldering earlier, had a couple of bits of dead track that needed powering up, following advice futher back in the thread i have switched to using silver solder as well as renewing the tip on the solderer, what a difference it makes, so much easier and tidier to solder now, less heat, less solder per joint etc Another option for soldering is Carrs Orange Flux. Non corrosive and designed to be used where cleaning afterwards is difficult or destructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted August 3, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2014 i got some silver solder, much better job, as it happens im just about to go back into the shed for the day and have a blitz on the layout, point motors in the yard, wire in the accessory decoder for the depot and run a few trains going to have a stock swap today as i dont leave rolling stock in the shed, fancy getting my DRS 20s and flasks out and maybe the megabox train 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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