RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted October 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2015 Stupidity on another level yesterday on the Airdrie to Bathgate line, 334016 hit a 4x4 that the Police believe to have been stolen and deliberately driven onto the tracks at Uphall. The moron who did this should be charged with attempted murder. Thankfully the unit only suffered superficial damage and one passenger was slightly injured. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-34530924 Jim There's a much easier offence to prove under Victorian legislation that carries life imprisonment about obstructing a railway line where life is endangered. I'm not sure if it applies in Scotland. It was used many years ago when two disgruntled gents left a bag of spikes on the track of the Ratty because the train times didn't suit them. They were somewhat surprised when they both drew terms of imprisonment at Carlisle Crown Court. 2 years and 18 months IIRC. Jamie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted October 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2015 Agreed, there are a couple of offenses still on the statute books, e.g.: Interfering with railway with intent to endanger persons traveling (Offences against the person act 1861) Put/throw stone/wood/thing on railway W/I to obstruct (Malicious Damage Act 1861) Take up/Remove/Display rail/sleeper/thing W/I to obstruct railway (Malicious Damage Act 1861) Unlawfully and maliciously did an act with intent to obstruct, upset, overthrow, injure or destroy an engine, tender, carriage or truck using the railway.(Malicious Damage Act 1861) Interestingly both Blocking railway with intent to obstruct, endangering life (Malicious Damage Act 1861) and Damaging railway with intent to obstruct, endangering life (Malicious Damage Act 1861) have been recently removed from the statute books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 one of the reasons is to stop 'screen burn' i remember the signaller at gresty lane telling me that they had their monitors for willaston crossing (cctv) replaced with 2nd hand equipment, only for it to show clear as day the outline of the previous crossing which had the monitors on all the time i think they stay on for a short while, gresty did while i was in there and certainly derby box can see spondon for a time after the barriers are dropped as i had a signal put back on me after someone smashed through the barriers as i aproached at 75mph and the signaller saw it happen after the protecting signal was pulled off by him so he put it back to danger certainly a heart in your mouth moment to pass a red at 75mph and see the barriers all over the track in front of you, luckily i stopped before the crossing Wouldn't it be more sensible for the monitors to be off most of the time, and only on when there is a train in the vicinity? i.e. coming on when the approaching train is a few blocks away and going off once the train has cleared the crossing and the barriers are up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Unlawfully and maliciously did an act with intent to obstruct, upset, overthrow, injure or destroy an engine, tender, carriage or truck using the railway.(Malicious Damage Act 1861) "I didn't do it!" "What didn't you do?" Blocking railway with intent to obstruct, endangering life (Malicious Damage Act 1861) "A foul, a foul - a plapable foul..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Here's a good way to get an all action selfie... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-34632229 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Level crossings were built with the Victorian railway more than 100 years ago when there were fewer and slower trains. i don't think that really applies to Matlock Bath though, I rather think there used to be more and faster trains, and that level crossing is not original either. Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Nor are they taking the picture to get the picturesque station in shot, as in both cases it's behind the camera! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2015 i don't think that really applies to Matlock Bath though, I rather think there used to be more and faster trains, and that level crossing is not original either. Rgds Agree - as far as I can recall there was never a footpath crossing (which is what that is - not 'a level crossing') at Matlock Bath and a quick search on the 'net does indeed show that it had a footbridge (and a barrow crossing of course). The station was once on a fairly busy double track mainline and while foot crossing were far from unknown at such stations footbridges were the usual situation. Presumably the present foot crossing stems from the time of reopening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 This made for a fun 10 minutes and phone call to network rail's emergency line! AHBs won't clear if the barrier hasn't fully dropped apparently. Hopefully they catch up with the Lorry driver, the train that passed was on the line away from him, too busy on the phone with NR to catch his number plate and as soon as someone helped him back out from under the barrier and the crossing cleared he was off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Here's a good way to get an all action selfie... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-34632229 Matlock Bath is a popular day trip destination for the less classy parts of East Midlands society, so I'm not entirely surprised by this level of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Matlock Bath is a popular day trip destination for the less classy parts of East Midlands society, so I'm not entirely surprised by this level of stupidity. You mean when they can't afford the fare to Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The rules apply every where including Matlock Bath. I think the main problem is that the country the people in the video originated from has no enforcement or rules on railway safety compared to people from the UK so they think they can do the same here and frankly that's not on and if they will trespass at Matlock they will do it at any station and if caught they should be prosecuted like everyone else they are not a special case, there are several rail drivers on RM Web of both Passenger and Freight & I would not like to think how they would feel if someone passed away just over taking a "Selfie" as the real thing won't stop on a penny like a model will. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 heres a good one..... this lot want a crossing where a young girl died kept open, so lets pose on the crossing for the pics, in the fog to boot, if you can see the twitter ones the photographer is clearly trespassing to get the pics as well the justification was the line was shut that day for engineering work, so no engineers trains then that if in picop land could be travelling upto 40mph http://www.kentonline.co.uk/whitstable/news/keep-death-crossing-open-say-45693/ https://twitter.com/kent_online/status/661123895009873920 a bit of an own goal for the campaigners i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Tell that to the girls who were killed at Canterbury a few months back who walked along the railway after they missed the last train. It didn't miss them, it was running a bit late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2015 yep, they really dont help themselves at all lets film an interview stood in the track with your back to traffic in the fog! http://youtu.be/KbzGDX7wQDc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here's a good way to get an all action selfie... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-34632229 Not only are there some idiotic teenagers there, but, as the weekly post from RSSB noted today, there appears to be a mother forcing her child to pose on the crossing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Been following this on BBC news site and some of the feed back has been pathetic to say the least plus a group photo of them all standing right across the foot crossing ,very intelligent I don't think The latest casualty was wearing earphones so never hear the train approaching.All of these crossings should be closed as they are a potential accident waiting to happen ,when I went to the E/W presentation a crossing in south Aylesbury is due to close people are annoyed but its going to be 100mph line and foot crossings are a no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted November 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2015 The trouble is there are still foot crossings on 125mph lines but they are slowly being closed. People want too much it seems, in this country of growing waistlines they don't want to walk further than they have to on the excuse that they are too overweight to be able to walk anywhere. If they walked they'd lose weight and be able to enjoy walking further. And it would benefit their wallets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2015 The trouble is there are still foot crossings on 125mph lines but they are slowly being closed. People want too much it seems, in this country of growing waistlines they don't want to walk further than they have to on the excuse that they are too overweight to be able to walk anywhere. If they walked they'd lose weight and be able to enjoy walking further. And it would benefit their wallets too. Which would be fine and good if they exercised two braincells when it came to foot crossings on railways (although the idea of crossing a 100+mph railway on foot is rather scarier than something I'd want to do without a bridge). Some of these people would get themselves hurt crossing a 4mm scale track. I'm surprised that so many are getting shut, I was under the impression that it's legally rather difficult to close rights of way without providing an alternative, which is why minor footpaths often seem to get motorway bridges. I'm assuming that there isn't a perfectly reasonable alternative like "walk 50 yards further to that bridge." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2015 Just when you think you have seen it all, this is a genuine 'late notice' as posted in tge safety cases at depots sent to me by a former work collegue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 What next a marathon and a chance to enter the pearly gates people who organise this sort of thing should look at the maps you can avoid the railway by a short diversion from the Ridgeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2015 Sunset is at 16:28 tomorrow (in PR) which means the stragglers will be crossing in darkness for at least an hour, my mind is boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Just when you think you have seen it all, this is a genuine 'late notice' as posted in tge safety cases at depots sent to me by a former work collegue This ring any bells? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) This made for a fun 10 minutes and phone call to network rail's emergency line! AHBs won't clear if the barrier hasn't fully dropped apparently. Photo0077(2).jpg Hopefully they catch up with the Lorry driver, the train that passed was on the line away from him, too busy on the phone with NR to catch his number plate and as soon as someone helped him back out from under the barrier and the crossing cleared he was off. Erm - what "won't clear". ANBs are NOT INTERLOCKED WITH THE SIGNALLING! I In a situation such as this the first thing anyone will know about it (unless someone uses the emergency telephones of course) is 2 minutes after the sequence started when the signalman should get his 'barriers failed alarm (upon receipt of which he / she should replace the normally automatic signals on the approach to the crossing to red). Far too late to do anything about the train that triggered the sequence* because that will either be long gone or will have hit what is on the crossing. * From a train setting off the sequence to it being on the crossing is approximately 30 seconds Also ringing the NR helpline on your mobile is not a good response to issues at level crossings. The first reaction should be to use the direct dial telephones (painted yellow usually) to the signal box, starting your call with the words "This is an Emergency call". This gives the best chance of a speedy and appropriate response without the need for the operator to establish where you are and where the supervising signal box is located. Edited November 6, 2015 by phil-b259 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think SG meant the AHBs/ lights wouldn't clear to road traffic even after the train had gone through Phil. Fair point r.e. using the phone on the crossing, although I suspect that's exactly what he did use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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