A Nod To Brent - a friendly thread, filled with frivolity, cream teas and pasties. Longing for the happy days in the South Hams 1947.

[gwrrob]

he'll be in Dire Straits if he has to rely on MTBs 

 

They'll be getting money for nothing then.

[colin penfold]

They'll be getting money for nothing then.

and their ducklings for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, that's chicks innit?

[Fat Controller]

So how do I justify my oil train going to Plymouth in '47 then chaps without using rule no. 1.

Wasn't that when the short-lived trials with oil-firing steam locos took place?

[Siberian Snooper]

Empties might suit your purpose, oil tankers unloaded at Cattewater into the tank farm. If you use google maps and type in Cattedown Road and follow it down stream towards the mouth of the Plym and the go to the ariel view you will see the tank farm is still there, as is the Cattewater branch.

 

I am unable to post a link as I am using me tab.

Here are are the Map and Satellite view of Cattedown & Cattewater.

 

 

 

Please note that Plymouth Train Station is not anywhere near the top left corner. I dunno where Google got that from,

Edited June 2, 2015 by Siberian Snooper

[cary hill]

Wasn't that when the short-lived trials with oil-firing steam locos took place?

 

Wasn't Tigley Junction Shed a surprise choice as Oil Refuelling Depot?

 

Still photo of refuelling taking place at Tigley:

 

 

Taken from the official "educational" video

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3YIL7bIoa8

 

Rob just needs to convert all the vast majority of his loco fleet to oil burning and long tanker trains appearing on ANTB would be perfectly in order.

[NHY 581]

Thanks for the video, CH. I was wondering what the tenders ranks looked like.Very helpful. Always fancied an oil burner conversion.

 

Rob

[Mallard60022]

he'll be in Dire Straits if he has to rely on MTBs 

Sorry.....just got that one!!!!!   Not bad for me; just under six hours.

Quackers.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Mallard60022

[gwrrob]

Wasn't Tigley Junction Shed a surprise choice as Oil Refuelling Depot?

 

Still photo of refuelling taking place at Tigley:

 

Rob just needs to convert all the vast majority of his loco fleet to oil burning and long tanker trains appearing on ANTB would be perfectly in order.

Tommy Traddles could never get the hang of it at Tigley Junction, that's one of the reasons it was abolished.

 

Edited June 2, 2015 by gwrrob

[john dew]

As far as the route availability discs are concerned simple  answer is to look at dated photos - somehow I suspect GWR works and sheds were not exactly hot on painting tank engines during the war reserving what painting time they had for 'big' engines or when it was absolutely essential.  I wonder why anyone would bother to shine a light on a route availability disc in any case as everyone who had reason to know would have known what various engines were grouped as.  Numberplates are one thing - especially when faced by a shedful of panniers but why bother to look for the RA disc?

 

I honestly dont know when,why or where anyone would check a RA disc......I was rather hoping you could shed some light on that Mike

 

Perhaps the air raid bit is just an Urban myth but I do believe the change of location from cab side to above number plate happened.......... I rather suspect it coincided with the change of livery in 1942/3 from Roundel to GWR .   Maybe some one just decided it was a more sensible place to locate it.....Tender locos always seem to have had the disc there .....I have only seen Tank Engines with it high on the cab side

 

Last night I happened to watch part of a video I was given for my Birthday...... "A History of British Trains"........naturally I watched the GWR section and found myself focussing on Panniers and disc location (sad isnt it but I can get somewhat single minded) There were lots of Panniers.....as far as I could tell most if not all BR.....where a disc was visible, and there were many, it was located above the number plate.

 

This morning having read Mike's post I delved into my admittedly meagre library. In Stephen Williams "GW Branch Line Modelling"  (one of most dog eared books)  any 57xx with "Great Western" or the Shirt Button had the disc high on the cab side. I couldnt find any GWR but there is a shot of a very grubby loco in Farringdon in 1947 with disc above the number plate. Paul Karau's book told the same story including a GWR 57xx with disc above at Fairford. In Gammel's branch lines there is a delightful shot of a 45xx in "early BR days"  it s absolutely filthy except the letters G  W R on the tank side which have been carefully wiped clean! Disc over number plate. Any photos of BR locos had disc over number plate.

 

Anyway thats my theory......in 1947-8 if a 57xx has GWR livery the disc (Blue of course!) should be over the numberplate..........the extent to which I implement it on Granby is another matter

 

** Having done this research I now realise I probably dont have enough Roundel/Great Western liveried work horses

Edited June 2, 2015 by john dew

[gwrrob]

http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/locos/3738/3738.html

 

http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/locos/3650/3650.html

 

Bu**er.Didcot's two bear this out.Further perusal sees my 7200 has it misplaced too.Grr.

 

 

Copyright Amyas Crump collection.

Edited June 2, 2015 by gwrrob

[brianusa]

Panniers.

 

My take on the subject - sadly forgot the disc!  Can't take any real pictures of Panniers  nowadays so this is the best I can do so please indulge me.  Even this is pre digital!

 

Brian.

 

 

[Stubby47]

Panniers.

scan.jpg

 

My take on the subject - sadly forgot the disc!  Can't take any real pictures of Panniers  nowadays so this is the best I can do so please indulge me.  Even this is pre digital!

 

Brian.

Very nice, but I'm sure the rivet count is wrong.....

[jburgt]

@Brian,

 

It would be a very smart idea as every child in the primary school would be able to play and to research his/her little world with meccano.

In the Netherlands it's difficult to buy in the toy stores.

 

Grzz, Hans

[john dew]

Although 3650 has a shirt button......which rather disproves part of my theory.....but then it has been restored

[jburgt]

I mean of course the traditional and/or original meccano.

 

Grzz, Hans

[Captain Kernow]

and their ducklings for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, that's chicks innit?

I always thought that they got their chipolatas for free.... the song's about free food, isn't it?

[gwrrob]

Long time followers of this thread will know I like a nice photo.Peter Gray is a particular favourite and here's one of his taken of a Dukedog at Newton on a fish train originating at Grimsby.The caption reads that it was a Bristol to Plymouth service and would have had just a few vans by Newton that were tagged onto another West bound service.

 

 

[NHY 581]

Not forgetting the Indian Tribute band, Delhi Straits, who sang Madras for nothing and Chapatis for free........

[bgman]

There's you inspiration for the next photo Rob !

 

Nice little Dukedog on a goods through erm........ Oh ! Yeah.......Brent ( sorry nearly forgot !)

[gwrrob]

I was hoping to find something I have a model of though....

[bgman]

I was hoping to find something I have a model of though....

Wanna borrow my DDog?

[46444]

Long time followers of this thread will know I like a nice photo.Peter Gray is a particular favourite and here's one of his taken of a Dukedog at Newton on a fish train originating at Grimsby.The caption reads that it was a Bristol to Plymouth service and would have had just a few vans by Newton that were tagged onto another West bound service.

 

 

9849856-large.jpg

 

Hi Robin,

 

Is there anymore information on this Dukedog at Newton.  Where was it shedded? Had it been to the works?

 

It's the first time of seen a picture of one there accept for the rumors of one working up to Trusham Quarry in 1947 .

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[gwrrob]

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/Interesting-example-GWR-thriftyness/story-26329638-detail/story.html

 

The photo above is from 1954 but there is a mention of 9018 in 1948 but I doubt Newton had any.

[46444]

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/Interesting-example-GWR-thriftyness/story-26329638-detail/story.html

 

The photo above is from 1954 but there is a mention of 9018 in 1948 but I doubt Newton had any.

 

Thanks for the link Robin.

 

I never realised Dukedogs made it as far as Newton.  I thought they were all allocated to the Cambrian or Midland areas.  Interesting though and will certainly give some provenance to my story from 1947 .

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[cary hill]

9018 and 9023 are noted as being Swindon based in January 1948 - some of the relatively few not based in Wales.