A Nod To Brent - a friendly thread, filled with frivolity, cream teas and pasties. Longing for the happy days in the South Hams 1947.

[toboldlygo]

With the kind permission of our dear leader, I'd like to ask if any Nodders have the Pannier Papers and could tell me if they list when individual 57xx had topfeed fitted? If so, I'd be very grateful to know when 3705 was so fitted (I've seen a pic of her in BR early crest livery fitted with topfeed, but did she have it in 1947?)

 

Many thanks in advance for any insight anyone is able to provide,

 

Ben

 

It's doesn't give that kind of information, the only information it gives about topfeeds is they didn't become standard for new construction until 1944.

[toboldlygo]

You've got to get your West Country class 34100 in haven't you.

 

Just the one? Try the entire class 

[gwrrob]

Bachmann have just sent me this Hall image as it's moving nicely towards production. Those querying the chimney can see it hasn't altered from previous shots but the Hall does look nice in that livery.

 

 

[toboldlygo]

Bachmann have just sent me this Hall image as it's moving nicely towards production. Those querying the chimney can see it hasn't altered from previous shots but the Hall does look nice in that livery.

 

 

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Let's hope they don't mix up the running plates with the modified Halls this time..

[BenL]

Bachmann have just sent me this Hall image as it's moving nicely towards production. Those querying the chimney can see it hasn't altered from previous shots but the Hall does look nice in that livery.

 

 

hall 4920.png

It does so it would be great if they could get the chimney right - as someone else pointed out elsewhere, it does look like they've got a BR-period improved draughting ('ID') chimney on it (distinct in its lack of capuchon): http://www.masterpiecemodels.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/105-hall-and-grange-chimneys

[OnTheBranchline]

Bachmann have just sent me this Hall image as it's moving nicely towards production. Those querying the chimney can see it hasn't altered from previous shots but the Hall does look nice in that livery.

 

 

hall 4920.png

 

I am placated enough that I've forgotten about the ghost 94xx project. 

 

Edit: Temporarily...

Edited April 4, 2018 by OnTheBranchline

[The Stationmaster]

With the kind permission of our dear leader, I'd like to ask if any Nodders have the Pannier Papers and could tell me if they list when individual 57xx had topfeed fitted? If so, I'd be very grateful to know when 3705 was so fitted (I've seen a pic of her in BR early crest livery fitted with topfeed, but did she have it in 1947?)

 

Many thanks in advance for any insight anyone is able to provide,

 

Ben

 

Best way is to seek out accurately (ha!!) dated photos because with boiler swops engines which didn't have top feeds got them and those that had them lost them.  3705 is not illustrated in The Pannier Papers.

[The Stationmaster]

Buckfastleigh from the other side of the fence

 

 

 

[M.I.B]

I am placated enough that I've forgotten about the ghost 94xx project. 

 

Edit: Temporarily...

 I haven't forgotten.  It may be a while before i buy another Hall, but I would buy a couple of 94XX in RTR tomorrow.

 

 

If the "majors" (Ho, B, D, He etc) want to make some decent money, pause on the "improvements" to existing "half decent" items and go for something multi livery, multi period, and not currently made:

 

Restarant cars

94XX

97XX

Toplights

decent 7 plankers 

A few more full brakes.

 

Then multiply that x 5 for the rest of the Big 4 and early BR as well.

 

 

You can bet the "new" items which will sell well will be things we have been missing for a long time, like the Bachmann steam crane, the 94XX if it's ever made, 47XX (now that Joe Public has got their mitts on it and "tested it")

 

And unfortunately getting a "Major" to produce something "niche" (Aberdare/Director/TVR tank engines etc) which wont appeal across different liveries/long timespans will get tough as unit costs rise.

 

I'm not saying that venerable items such as the Collett 2251, Saint, Small County, Manor, Diesel railcar  are great, but 

[The Stationmaster]

 I haven't forgotten.  It may be a while before i buy another Hall, but I would buy a couple of 94XX in RTR tomorrow.

 

 

If the "majors" (Ho, B, D, He etc) want to make some decent money, pause on the "improvements" to existing "half decent" items and go for something multi livery, multi period, and not currently made:

 

Restarant cars

94XX

97XX

Toplights

decent 7 plankers 

A few more full brakes.

 

Then multiply that x 5 for the rest of the Big 4 and early BR as well.

 

 

You can bet the "new" items which will sell well will be things we have been missing for a long time, like the Bachmann steam crane, the 94XX if it's ever made, 47XX (now that Joe Public has got their mitts on it and "tested it")

 

And unfortunately getting a "Major" to produce something "niche" (Aberdare/Director/TVR tank engines etc) which wont appeal across different liveries/long timespans will get tough as unit costs rise.

 

I'm not saying that venerable items such as the Collett 2251, Saint, Small County, Manor, Diesel railcar  are great, but 

 

'Just you wait 'enry 'iggins just you wait- as Eliza Doolittle said.  We might yet be pleased, or disappointed, by what may be appearing over the coming few years.  

 

But I'll lay money on one thing and that is that there's probably less chance if seeing r-t-r Toplights than anything else on your list unless you are prepared to pay some very large sums of money for them because the market will be highly specialised due to their variety and the  huge number of changes they underwent over the years.  As individual vehicles they represent a big tooling cost even for a single period in their lives so they might well take us close to the £100 r-t-r coach.

[gwrrob]

**Stop Press**

 

Someone on this thread has just bought the bloody Heljan 47xx.  

[81C]

Pick this up earlier.

 

 

You need to see the loco before paying for it I'm afaid to say there are constuction issue with them big time I rejected several with bent front ends.

[toboldlygo]

**Stop Press**

 

Someone on this thread has just bought the bloody Heljan 47xx.

 

Do they need to be referred to the MiM for Air Smoothing counselling?   

[gwrrob]

Pick this up earlier.

 

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You need to see the loco before paying for it I'm afaid to say there are constuction issue with them big time I rejected several with bent front ends.

 

Can you do a full review please Bob. None of your usual fence sitting malarkey either.  

[Andrew P]

Buckfastleigh from the other side of the fence

 

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I did used to enjoy walking my Dogs down there in the summer.

 

Nice pic Mike.

[NHY 581]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.

[gwrrob]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.

 

Plenty of panniers here.

 

http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html

 

https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/GWRSteam-1/Collett-Locomotives/Collett-5700-0-6-0PT

[teaky]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.

Just had a look at the colour photos in "Weathered Steam Locomotives" by Andy J. Small and I'd say not oily, just the usual filth.

[81C]

Can you do a full review please Bob. None of your usual fence sitting malarkey either.

I can't  sit on fences with my farmers!!!, I think Mike beat me to that in the Heljan thread but a quick obsevation for build errors are the tender handbrake handle and water

scoop handle will need replacement they are too short the copper painted top feed pipe under the footplate could do with treating with Humbrol metalcote however there

is a nice checkered fall plate in the bits bag plus brake hoses and spare whistles (they are both the small size) and brake rigging.

 

I can't stress this enough if you don't want to be dissapointed buy one locally so you can see what you get the bent front end faults is only affecting some models they have been put

together badly pay a bit less at the discount mail order merchants is not the answer with this one you might a get a duff loco and then have to send it back.

 

First impressions yes I'm glad I bought one there is a wealth of detail on the loco and I don't think it will have any trouble pulling a very big train it's 'kin' heavy it has visual fault we

are aware of and most of those can be put right some of the recent photos have exagerated the rivets I would say the are equal to the Kernow saddle tank but everyone perceives things

differently I would say the armchair modellers have got it wrong yet again, tell me what was the last perfect loco you bought apart from Hornby's Grange as I haven't see one since.

 

BTW it's got carbuncles splashers and they should be there. 

[Captain Kernow]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.

What you've highlighted, Rob, are the injectors, so I doubt that they would be liberally smeared with thick grease, but they might, in part, have a slight sheen of oil and/or mucky deposits.

 

I'd recommend the Pannier Papers to identify a suitable example based at a shed that might cover S&D workings.

[toboldlygo]

Plenty of panniers here.

 

http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html

 

https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/GWRSteam-1/Collett-Locomotives/Collett-5700-0-6-0PT

Oops, I feel another Star adding itself to the to do list

[toboldlygo]

What you've highlighted, Rob, are the injectors, so I doubt that they would be liberally smeared with thick grease, but they might, in part, have a slight sheen of oil and/or mucky deposits.

 

I'd recommend the Pannier Papers to identify a suitable example based at a shed that might cover S&D workings.

Including the Southern Region defectors

[brianusa]

Bachmann have just sent me this Hall image as it's moving nicely towards production. Those querying the chimney can see it hasn't altered from previous shots but the Hall does look nice in that livery.

 

 

hall 4920.png

 

They seem to have got the GW green right, or at least its what I think it should be!

 

Brian.

[mswjr]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.       

 

That bit you are pointing at is the injector, There would not be much oil around this, It is quite out of the way where it is, Yes they got very dirty ,but not over oily,

[The Stationmaster]

Would some kind soul point me in thr right direction?

 

Those who visit my witterings on the Sheep Chrinicles will see I have recently acquired a Pannier courtesy of Grahame ( bgman) of this parish.

 

It's the weathered 57xx from Bachmann, 7717 a Cardiff loco as it happens.

 

I'm looking to add further weathering, etched plates etc but am struggling with identifying a few bits...and therefore if they would be oily etc..

 

I've yet to find any good colour reference pictures.

 

 

Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.

 

Rob.

 

I sincerely hope not in the least bit oily as that is the nearside injector.  There might be a little bit of shiny something or other on the operating rod as it comes through the cab front sheet but most photos don't show it as shiny at all.