RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 Nothing yet Rob - i've not bought any yet. I'm just trying to decide where I need to add longer sleepers. The L&SWR used Stevens 'flap' type ground signals and every photo of them I have ever seen shows them independently mounted and not on an extended timber. What is far from clear is how late the flap type survived but they seem to have been something of a rarity by the early-mid 1950s having been replaced by the standard SR/Westinghouse pattern half disc (for red arm signals - a miniature semaphore arm was used for yellow arm signals). But to answer your question - no need for extended timbers (which, Simon should note - were not in any case universal for independent ground signals on the GWR). As to what type of ground signal was in use at Bodmin in the period you are modelling then study of pics would hopefully provide an answer http://www.semgonline.com/proto/semaphore_11.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) The L&SWR used Stevens 'flap' type ground signals and every photo of them I have ever seen shows them independently mounted and not on an extended timber. What is far from clear is how late the flap type survived but they seem to have been something of a rarity by the early-mid 1950s having been replaced by the standard SR/Westinghouse pattern half disc (for red arm signals - a miniature semaphore arm was used for yellow arm signals). But to answer your question - no need for extended timbers (which, Simon should note - were not in any case universal for independent ground signals on the GWR). As to what type of ground signal was in use at Bodmin in the period you are modelling then study of pics would hopefully provide an answer http://www.semgonline.com/proto/semaphore_11.html I followed Mike's link and I object !!! I have never looked like a ground signal! Edited November 21, 2016 by Stubby47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I followed Mike's link and I object !!! sgs.JPG I have never looked like a ground signal! Can we judge for ourselves and have a look at your earlier avatar photo taken during visit to BCB. (arm outstretched!) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 I believe Chris can supply the offending photo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 I followed Mike's link and I object !!! sgs.JPG I have never looked like a ground signal! In fairness they are not saying you look like a ground signal, the suggestion is that the ground signal looks like you. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 In fairness they are not saying you look like a ground signal, the suggestion is that the ground signal looks like you. Andy He should count himself lucky - on the Western ground signals are called dummies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 21, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 I believe Chris can supply the offending photo.... Doncaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Or Peterborough. Edited November 21, 2016 by Stubby47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 21, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 I don't recall doing Peterborough show with BCB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 I don't recall doing Peterborough show with BCB. however Stubbie was at Donny - Sunday afternoon Scones with real clotted cream. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 Didn't BCB do both, plus Ally Pally ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 21, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 Clearest shot I've seen so far... This example was at Boscarne so might be WR: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I think the BCB shot was at Doncaster.... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 Didn't BCB do both, plus Ally Pally ? yes but you didn't Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 yes but you didn't Andy At one, BCB was in the glass foyer; with the big modern container layout opposite, and at the other the layout was in / near the BRM village, with the magazine tram layout behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 At one, BCB was in the glass foyer; with the big modern container layout opposite, and at the other the layout was in / near the BRM village, with the magazine tram layout behind. You did do Peterborough then Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 21, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2016 Right, these are small extracts for research and discussion purposes from photos in the SpamTowers library. Some appear to be sleeper mounted and others sunk into the ground. These are Bodmin: Wadebridge: Boscarne: Tresarrett (not a ground signal but a clear view of a hand thrown turnout): 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 Bodmin North signaling diagram c1950: http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=642 Unfortunately the link on that page to a further article is broken. This, and the help I had two years ago, should give me a head start on the Pencarrow layout. Main differences are: - Pencarrow doesn't have the dock road - Pencarrow doesn't have the middle set of crossovers - The top left gas works siding doesn't form a double slip connection with the mainline but a separate right hand turnout closer to the platform - The left hand end of the gas works siding has been extended to form the clay branch line Other than that, very similar! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Would it be fair to say that the ones that are not mounted on a timber, are mounted on a foundation made from a couple of offcuts of a timber? Possibly, this would be to move it away from the rails to which it refers, maybe to improve sighting, but I guess, not from the loco (unless setting back round a bend?) - would it be to aid the signalman? Mike? Best Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 These look very good: http://www.shapeways.com/product/HGR34RQ7K/1-in-6-common-crossing-chairs The different chairs are a lot more noticeable in 7mm. Thanks to Mark for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 The C&L order arrived today, so without further ado, more sleepers and timbers were laid.... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 The boards suddenly seem very small! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2016 The C&L order arrived today, so without further ado, more sleepers and timbers were laid.... tmp_26750-rps20161122_214207284513991.jpg tmp_26750-rps20161122_2142291690686355.jpg The temptation to get something running must be intense.Your patience will be rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 The temptation to get something running must be intense.Your patience will be rewarded. No hurry Rob, I've waited 30ish years for my own trainset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 The temptation to get something running must be intense.Your patience will be rewarded. Just for you Rob: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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