BernardTPM Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) The side glazing I put on this old Westward Plaxton coach kit was 5 thou." Polycarbonate boiled round a can (may have done it by filling the can with boiling water, it was done a long time ago). That wouldn't otherwise stay curved. No crazing or fogging. The windscreen came with the kit and isn't quite as clear. Edited July 1, 2017 by BernardTPM 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 The side glazing I put on this old Westward Plaxton coach kit was 5 thou." Polycarbonate boiled round a can (may have done it by filling the can with boiling water, it was done a long time ago). That wouldn't otherwise stay curved. No crazing or fogging. The windscreen came with the kit and isn't quite as clear. Hi Bernard, The coach glazing looks very good and it is interesting to know how thin it is too. It looks as if PETG could be curved too using boiling water, but I have managed using a 'cold' bending method. Again, I admire anyone who can build coaches like yours that have bodies which are mostly glazing. All the best, Colin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's just an old whitemetal Westward kit, Colin, nothing special, made some years before the EFE version and VERY heavy. There was a fair bit of added detail and the rear was reworked to an Elite III instead of II. Mounting the glazing that way had two benefits to the standard inside mounting: the real things were more or less flush, the rubber beading holding the glass about level with the curved sides; also by painting the rubber beading round the edge of the glazing to hide the glue the width of the pillars was effectively reduced. The polycarbonate film was originally used as a form of cheap double glazing, so when this was replaced with 'proper' secondary glazing frames I saved a lot of it, but I can't seem to get it thinner than 10 thou." these days and that would stand out too far for this method. PC is very clear and much more scratch resistant than clear styrene. You can scribe it though and I did that for the sliding driver's window on the offside, running silver paint between the scribed lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Bernard,The coach glazing looks very good and it is interesting to know how thin it is too. It looks as if PETG could be curved too using boiling water, but I have managed using a 'cold' bending method. Again, I admire anyone who can build coaches like yours that have bodies which are mostly glazing.All the best,Colin That's amazing work on those coaches Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Off topic, but followers of the excellent work here might also be interested in this thread:- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84868-scratchbuilding-a-msjar-3-car-emu/ For anyone not familiar with his work, Ron is also a bit of a dab hand with styrene sheet, but this is his first go at an EMU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) One 2 HAP is complete and sporting some nice shiny commode handles courtesy of Howard. The unit shown here is the motorised one. This shot is pleasing to me in that the first class stripe does not now occupy the whole depth between cantrail and top edge of the window. This is partly due to window position and narrower stripe (painted-on rather than transfer). The large corridor windows now have panes which all sit in the same plane and are also curved to match the body side. While not flush, the glazing is much more acceptable and will not be liable to falling out like the old stuff! The door droplight glazing is set back 10thou. more than the fixed quarter lights, which makes a difference, though adds a great deal to construction time as all panes are separate items. Comparisons with the old sides: The new ones are not perfect but the original sides now look rather embarrassing when put alongside. The windows of the scrapped sides were all the same depth, whereas the door drop lights should be slightly deeper. Added to that, the windows were too large and too angular, the former defect thus leading to the panels between compartments being too narrow. Edited April 27, 2014 by Colin parks 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2014 Colin The revised sides make a considerable difference to the overall look, it now really captures the look of these units. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Good to see how well it's all come out in the end, Colin. Not only are the sides more accurate, the consistency in both size and glazing with the 4-SUB must be most satisfying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2014 Hi Colin There are many of us who would like to model to the standard of the original 2HAP. Well done in great improvement of the new sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted April 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2014 Hello Colin, I've been following your excellent modelling on here for a considerable time now, and am so astonished at the very high standards which you have consistently been achieving. The Bullied 2 Hap up grade has turned out incredibly well. This is the kind of standard which I'm aiming for in my own model-making. I look forward to your P4 endeavours. All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Colin parks Posted May 1, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Final tweaking, with intermediate jumper cables now fitted to the 4 SUB. Being shorter than the ones on the 4 COR, it wasn't certain that the shorter cables would stay attached until blasting the unit up and down a few times. (They did stay on.) A few pictures of the two HAPs, after testing them to see that all has gone back together. The one to the left is un-powered, being connected to the other with a magnet on a wire on the leading bogie which locates onto a screw head on the powered unit's trailing bogie. It allows the train to be divided in the fiddle yard and just the front two coaches to be used. The coupling of the units allows the two types of side of a 2 HAP trailer coach to be seen at once The windows have come out like the 4 SUB's as both these units should do. The contrasting features of the cab fronts Er, that's about it until conversion to P4 later in the year. Colin Edited May 1, 2014 by Colin parks 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted May 1, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2014 Colin A masterful rehash, if I might say so, you have really caught these workaday EMU's. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted May 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) ..................................Er, that's about it until conversion to P4 later in the year. ..............................and you know what you can run them on! Edited May 2, 2014 by Re6/6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 ..............................and you know what you can run them on! Get back in the queue that man... Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 ..............................and you know what you can run them on! Get back in the queue that man... Cheers, Hmm. Perhaps I'll just travel the land with a box of EMUs on offer in future! Colin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Final tweaking, with intermediate jumper cables now fitted to the 4 SUB. Being shorter than the ones on the 4 COR, it wasn't certain that the shorter cables would stay attached until blasting the unit up and down a few times. (They did stay on.) IMG_7469.JPG A few pictures of the two HAPs, after testing them to see that all has gone back together. The one to the left is un-powered, being connected to the other with a magnet on a wire on the leading bogie which locates onto a screw head on the powered unit's trailing bogie. It allows the train to be divided in the fiddle yard and just the front two coaches to be used. The coupling of the units allows the two types of side of a 2 HAP trailer coach to be seen at once IMG_7455.JPG The windows have come out like the 4 SUB's as both these units should do. IMG_7461.JPG The contrasting features of the cab fronts IMG_7463.JPG Er, that's about it until conversion to P4 later in the year. Colin Hey Colin,... You're getting me flummoxed ! I had to 'double take' hat initial b&w roof picture !...I was so sure it was one of Dave's (dasatcopthorne's) photos of the prototype !.....Talk about perfection. It's been a pleasure to meet you (via the Ether of RMweb) and to look in at the result of your craftsmanship over these past few years (and pick up a multitude of tips, along the way) Wishing you All the best for the P4 project (I will be looking in) and for the future. Cheers, Frank. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hey Colin,... You're getting me flummoxed ! I had to 'double take' hat initial b&w roof picture !...I was so sure it was one of Dave's (dasatcopthorne's) photos of the prototype !.....Talk about perfection. It's been a pleasure to meet you (via the Ether of RMweb) and to look in at the result of your craftsmanship over these past few years (and pick up a multitude of tips, along the way) Wishing you All the best for the P4 project (I will be looking in) and for the future. Cheers, Frank. Hi Frank, That B&W photo was not intended as a trick shot, but the jumper cables had proven hard to photograph. I can see what you mean about the photo looking like one of Dave Smith's! Many thanks once again for all your help with the various EMU projects over the past five years. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hey Colin,... You're getting me flummoxed ! I had to 'double take' hat initial b&w roof picture !...I was so sure it was one of Dave's (dasatcopthorne's) photos of the prototype !.....Talk about perfection. . My thoughts exactly. I thought at first Colin had used one of my shots without permission. :-))))) Only joking, but Colin, fantastic work as usual. Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 My thoughts exactly. I thought at first Colin had used one of my shots without permission. :-))))) Only joking, but Colin, fantastic work as usual. Dave Hi Dave, It must be the effect of staring at your excellent reference shots for so many hours over the years that produced a photo with such a similar look. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted May 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2014 Fantastic modelling Colin - seen together they exude late '60s, early '70s workaday SR character by the bucket-load. I'd love to catch up with the 2014 tour at some point..... Congratulations, Alastair M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Great stuff Colin. It's really come out very well Paul R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 If it hasn't already been posted there, the black and white shot in particular would look very appropriate in the 'How realistic are your models? Photo challenge.' thread. I thought it was the real thing at first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) One final picture and postscript to the 4 SUB project: The Tin HAL is shown here now complete with gutters over the doors. This was a technique only figured out when making the 4 SUB and the gutters are made from 5 thou. plastic (material courtesy of Ian Fisher). Not such a difficult task when fitted during construction of a model, but a whole lot harder to execute the procedure once the model is painted. The first picture shows the newly fixed gutters painted but not yet varnished. This second photo shows the finished article and is taken on the soon-to-be dismantled Newhaven Harbour. The guttering only stands off the coach sides by 10 thou. or 0.25mm, but it catches the light now. The unit never looked quite right without its gutters! Colin Edited May 16, 2014 by Colin parks 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2014 You are right how something so small makes such a difference. Sad to here that Newhaven is about to become Harbourless........ ;-( Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted May 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2014 Where did you get those dorrhandles from? They look interesting Thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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