peanuts Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 i have posted this elsewhere but think its appropriate here extract from the trb Rochdale 1990 "report of sheep on line between Castleton and Rochdale signaling managers B Wooley and T Shepard in attendance traffic cautioned at RE24 signal untilfurno " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Back to Steam Era Blue & Grey. Everything in this pic says early sixties apart from the almost complete blue & grey rake behind the Black Five. Bolton Trinity Street 11 March 1968. by Ralph Ward, on Flickr I think it's new to the thread. P Going on photographs rather than memory the change from maroon to blue & grey for coaches seemed to happen very quickly. In the summer of '66 pretty much all coaches were still maroon but by the summer of '68 there seems to be far more blue & grey than maroon and by 1970 maroon coaches appear to be getting very rare with just to odd one to be occasionally found in a rake of blue & grey. Locos on the other hand seem to have not been repainted anywhere near so quickly as a repaint wouldn't happen until their next major refurb after 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 When the new AC electric services started on the WCML the coaches as far as I can remember were all maroon. I presume a new livery for coaches had not been proposed at the start of the electric era. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2018 If blue and grey had come with the electrics Hornby Dublo would probaby have included them in their SD range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 When the new AC electric services started on the WCML the coaches as far as I can remember were all maroon. I presume a new livery for coaches had not been proposed at the start of the electric era. Keith Blue and grey had been decided on officially at board level sometime in 1965 Keith, after the XP64 rake had done the rounds, but mass repainting of stock didn't get underway until mid to late 1966. The full electric service out of Euston didn't start until April '66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 this morning, an east midlands HST passing through Sandal & Agbrigg with an East coast kitchen car in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 Blue and grey had been decided on officially at board level sometime in 1965 Keith, after the XP64 rake had done the rounds, but mass repainting of stock didn't get underway until mid to late 1966. The full electric service out of Euston didn't start until April '66. Electric services on the WCML started long before the Euston service, the locos were out and about around 1960 I travelled by train from Manchester to Birmingham before I left school in 1962 and the train was electrically hauled from Manchester to Crewe with 2 locos on the front the acceleration was extremely impressive. At Crewe the electrics came off and the rest of the journey was behind IIRC a Black 5 and much more sedate! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 this morning, an east midlands HST passing through Sandal & Agbrigg with an East coast kitchen car in the middle Been like that best part of a year I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Electric services on the WCML started long before the Euston service, the locos were out and about around 1960 I travelled by train from Manchester to Birmingham before I left school in 1962 and the train was electrically hauled from Manchester to Crewe with 2 locos on the front the acceleration was extremely impressive. At Crewe the electrics came off and the rest of the journey was behind IIRC a Black 5 and much more sedate! Keith Yes it was a phased development, with Manchester to Crewe being opened first, followed by Liverpool to Crewe; and then to various loco change points (Stafford, Nuneaton, Rugby) southwards to Euston. I remember going to Euston at Easter 1967 and filling up my previously blank AM10 page in the unit book because they were running as 12-car formations at the time, presumably to Northampton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2018 Model railways should be fun. Time for more realism on the exhibition circuit? Durham station. Cow on the line! 18-7-84 by locoman1966, on Flickr I remember back around 1961 the WCML at Rugby being thrown into chaos at Rugby station one busy summer Saturday by an escaped piglet running to and fro across the Down lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 I remember back around 1961 the WCML at Rugby being thrown into chaos at Rugby station one busy summer Saturday by an escaped piglet running to and fro across the Down lines. According to the recent TV series on NYMR there's a piglet causing chaos in the workshops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium carlwooduk Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Class 43 power car waiting to be refuelled- this time at a Shell Garage at Gordano services! Driver may pick up a coffee to go as well Edited March 25, 2018 by carlwooduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium carlwooduk Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 Class 43 power car waiting to be refuelled- this time at a Shell Garage at Gordano services! Driver may pick up a coffee to go as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Class 43 power car waiting to be refuelled- this time at a Shell Garage at Gordano services! Driver may pick up a coffee to go as well I bet filling the loco would earn you more than a couple of sherry glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I bet filling the loco would earn you more than a couple of sherry glasses. Still wouldn't get you a full set of world cup coins though; oh hang on wasn't that Esso? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I was on a job once where the ballast cleaner started to run out of diesel, and we were trying to keep it running by shuttling to and from the nearest garage with a load of one gallon cans. They must have wondered what we were doing with so much diesel, and I am surprised that we were never questioned by the transport people as to why we had used the fuel card so often in one night. We had to give up in the end though as the cleaner was burning the stuff quicker than we could fetch it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2018 When the new AC electric services started on the WCML the coaches as far as I can remember were all maroon. I presume a new livery for coaches had not been proposed at the start of the electric era. Keith There would still have been the odd blood and custard about when the first ac electrics started service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) The blue/grey livery was tried out on the experimental 'XP64' set in 1964, along with Class 47 D1733 which was turned out in an all over blue livery with SYP, and the new double arrow symbol in white on the background of a red panel which covered the cab side between the door, bottom of the side window, and the warning panel. New coaches continued to be produced in maroon livery, or malachite green for the Southern, until 1966, including very early mk2s, all FKs IIRC. None of these were built for the LMR to my knowledge. The Euston-Birmingham-Manchester-Liverpool electrification was not completed until 1966, but the locos had all been built up to AL6 (later 86) by then, in 'Electric Blue' livery with white cab roofs, earlier locos appearing without SYP warning panels. AFAIK no AL6s were turned out without warning panels. The new 'Corporate Image' (what a stirring concept that was...) was introduced in 1966 with the double arrow symbol, a new typeface, and liveries along with house colours for buildings, advertising, marketing material. Ships had a new livery as well. Blue/grey coaches appeared on all regions at this time, but the LMR concentrated it's allocation on the 25kv services initially, and these were being marketed very hard with timetable reductions and more trains, so awareness of the new livery was influenced by this in the early period. By mid 1967, most main line trains featured at least some blue/grey stock in the rake, and by 69 they were pretty much in the majority. But maroon mk1s could be seen into the early 70s. Edited March 25, 2018 by The Johnster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2018 Still wouldn't get you a full set of world cup coins though No there were always a few sent only to Wick or Thurso or such like! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 There would still have been the odd blood and custard about when the first ac electrics started service Now that is a challenge I have never thought of. A blue AC electric loco in the same photo as a blood and custard (or crimson and cream if you prefer) carriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Now that is a challenge I have never thought of. A blue AC electric loco in the same photo as a blood and custard (or crimson and cream if you prefer) carriage. Blue AC electric with almost a full rake of blood and custard. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wulfruna_kid/14874514624/in/photolist-oEpLYG Cheers, Mick edited as deliberate mistake spotted below. Edited March 25, 2018 by newbryford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Blue AC electric with a full rake of blood and custard. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wulfruna_kid/14874514624/in/photolist-oEpLYG Cheers, Mick That's Cheating! (Also the two on the back aren't Blood & Custard) Keith Edited March 25, 2018 by melmerby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Talk about a motley scratch set. https://www.flickr.com/photos/36034969@N08/4677824651/ Cheers David 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Blue AC electric with almost a full rake of blood and custard. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wulfruna_kid/14874514624/in/photolist-oEpLYG Cheers, Mick edited as deliberate mistake spotted below. Hmmm......, although that illustrates how difficult it must be to find an AC electric in original 1960s BR livery with a blood/custard coach in the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hmmm......, although that illustrates how difficult it must be to find an AC electric in original 1960s BR livery with a blood/custard coach in the shot. If he tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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