Indomitable026 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 can't say I agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 it doesn't take long and it's well worth it. The look of the lower ballast is great !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 9, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2014 it doesn't take long and it's well worth it. The look of the lower ballast is great !! Agree, it does look better, however my "research" (i.e.trawling of Flickr) suggests that ballast to the sleeper tops would be more typical, particularly in the sidings; for example: https://flic.kr/p/fjE7t4 or https://flic.kr/p/amLLoR Same is probably true on the mainline too: https://flic.kr/p/7HYwTV (look, Roarer on the clayliner) or https://flic.kr/p/9ZCP93 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) I have to disagree with your disagreement. Haha. Its far more typical that ballast is upto the sleeper tops, low ballast does exist but its the minority. Mainlines always have a proper depth of ballast to support the track correctly (or should) and as those pics show, typically small yards are buried in an almost solid old compacted ballast/ground again upto the sleeper tops. In model form this looks best as low ballast tends to look like track plonked on top of ballast train set style rather than track as an imbedded integral part of the scenery. Edited April 9, 2014 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Fair enough but you find me a pic of excessively proud sleepers and Ill find you 500 that arent. My philosophy is always model the typical because it will then look right. Modelling the least common case whether you have pics to prove it will always jar with the onlooker. If you have to pull pics to prove something right then your already behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) I know the places you mean but there are as many if not more back of little used sidings so buried in terraforma that you can barely tell theres a track there. If he wants to do some exposed sleepers at the end of his siding great but I think it would look odd on the rest of the layout especially on the main line and adjacent spur. These areas would certainly be sufficiently ballasted to cover those webs. Edited April 9, 2014 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 10, 2014 Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. I think I'll try a couple of short lengths of track with and without the webbing removed. I think the majority of the layout will have ballast to the top of the sleepers, but I'm a bit concerned that the web might show through the ballast or that covering it while keeping a gap between the top of the ballast and the bottom of the rail will be tricky. Thanks for bringing this up, it was something I'd not thought about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I find it's a lot easier to ballast and the difference in ballast height adds interest. I snapped this on the way to work; 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2014 Thanks for that, had meant to take a stroll down to Washwood Heath yesterday lunchtime, to have a look for myself, but didn't get chance. Is the rail to the left of the joint bullhead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Thanks for that, had meant to take a stroll down to Washwood Heath yesterday lunchtime, to have a look for myself, but didn't get chance. Is the rail to the left of the joint bullhead? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. I think I'll try a couple of short lengths of track with and without the webbing removed. I think the majority of the layout will have ballast to the top of the sleepers, but I'm a bit concerned that the web might show through the ballast or that covering it while keeping a gap between the top of the ballast and the bottom of the rail will be tricky. Thanks for bringing this up, it was something I'd not thought about. You would have no problem covering the web. Your sleepers are quite deep and the web as a result quite far down. I used SMP on Outon Road and still covered them easily while maintaining a gap under the rail and their sleepers are only about 1mm thick overall! The pic below is how it turned out. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Here's another shot at York this time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) Ballast to top of sleepers. This time at St Blazey. Edited April 11, 2014 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Ballast to top of sleepers. This time at St Blazey. IMG_20140411_102855.jpg Twice ! Marks using deeper sleepers than I did - thats why i'm keen for him show some of the depth in places - say in the sidings. It's called learning from yourself - and others !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Shall I add this Bloxwich Youtube video, clearly visible is Ballast to the top of sleepers and below sleeper tops. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 You can go too far with 'under ballasting' though... ha ha ha 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Surprised that wasnt a Dawlish photo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Can anyone tell me what the brown metal saddles are on five of the sleepers in the right hand track please? Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2014 Shall I add this Bloxwich Youtube video, clearly visible is Ballast to the top of sleepers and below sleeper tops. Thanks for adding that Dave, I'd seen it before but had forgotten about it; really useful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2014 Can anyone tell me what the brown metal saddles are on five of the sleepers in the right hand track please? Gordon You mean in the land slip photo? Sorry, I have no idea. D - where is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted April 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2014 Nice plan Mark, but an unusual length, sort of a bit Stephensonian waggonway in concept? Why not go the full monte and add another 149mm, or is 1584mm too long for the new motor? Let me know if you need any fencing and point rodding! Good grief; BCB gets to a completed state and you all go bonkers building new layouts. You did a cracking job on Foundry Lane, no.2 will be a cracker too I'm sure. If you need any buildings, give me a shout mate Er, how many caravans would you like ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2014 Er, how many caravans would you like ? Not sure I'll have room for any; Brunel was right 4'8.5" isn't big enough! Meanwhile, photos of ballast taken on my trip to Wakefield today: Out of curiosity; any idea what this is the remains of (on the way into Sheffield from the Derby direction, out the back of B&Q): 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Looks like an old run of railings to me. Cut off to the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Are you laying the track like this 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2014 Looks like an old run of railings to me. Cut off to the ground. Not easy to tell from the photo, but they look a bit more sturdy/substantial than railings, I think The B & Q is on what was the old Queens Road Goods yard if that is of any help about the mystery picture...... That makes sense, I wondered if it supported a canopy over a siding, maybe alongside a goods shed or warehouse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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