JeffP's photos, early 70's and 80's.

[JeffP]

Back to earth again, we are back at Lincoln, Frodingham and Immingham, with one taken on an all-nighter at Doncaster, James was with me on that one, again.

 

 

Class 08, 08652, "The Doncaster Postman", marshaling vans for an overnight postal. 26/1/88, taken at 02:41!!! My notes tell me the exposure time was 15 seconds at F5.6.

 

 

Next, three of Immingham's allocation of class 31's are seen stabled in the bay platform at Lincoln, facing east, towards their home depot.

From left to right: Class 31/4, 31442, and two class 31/1's, 31188 and 31185. 28/2/88

A nice array of semaphore signals too.

 

 

Fours shots of what we regarded as "our" loco, seen at the rear of the shed at Frodingham, class 47, 47222, "Appleby-Frodingham" is at rest on 5/3/88.

 

The loco was named in honour of the larger of the four steelworks that Scunthorpe used to have, the only one still open, now making only iron for the "Anchor" BOS steelmaking plant to the south-west of it.

It used to be owned by British Steel Corporation, whose logo is seen on the nameplate, later merged with Hoogevens, the Dutch national steelmaker, now, sadly, sold to Indian-based Tata Steel. And being run down as I type.

 

In the last shot of the loco, Scunthorpe's then parish church, St John's, can be seen just to the left of the loco, and the brisk building to it's left is the rear of the Goods Depot seen in an earlier post

 

 

Next, three shots of "their" loco, class 47/3, 4730, "Immingham" is stabled at it's home shed, on 6/3/88. Note the "40B" shedplate, which was Immingham's shedcode in steam days.

 

Good weathering on the nameplate shot!

 

 

 

 

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Edited December 15, 2013 by JeffP

[Carl. H.]

Just caught up on this thread. Great photos, Jeff!  Brings back memories of train spotting with my Dad around that time. I like the shot of 08562 at night, Doncaster was a regular haunt for us too, especially when the wires went up.

 

Post more!

 

Thanks.

 

Carl

[Grimleygrid]

Hi Jeff, many thanks for sharing your photo collection with us, it is very much appreciated. A period which is brings back fond memories so please keep them coming.

 

It is a shame to hear of the run down of Scunthorpe. I was lucky enough to visit the steel works a few years ago with my Father and we visited the ore terminal, very interesting. To see the wagons tipped automatically was superb, hence my modelling the tipplers.

A real shame to hear of the sad state of affairs with Scunthorpe.

 

Love the shots of Appleby-Frodingham, one day I hope to model her. I believe she carried BR blue up until mid-1991 which is just right for my layout period.

 

I have always thought that Immingham depot would make a great TMD layout! That shed would look great in model form.....

[brushman47544]

More great photos, thanks. Keep them coming. Just to clarify, its 86426 not 86246 in LLS - the loco has the jumper cable boxes fitted to the 86/3s and 86/4s.

[JeffP]

Sorry, typo.

Will put it right.

 

Meanwhile there will be a (hopefully) short interlude while my computer is away to be repaired. It threw a rod on Sunday, I got it to work, but monday morning it did it again, and refuse point-blank to play.

Hence, I can't scan in any photos and have no access to the ones already there.........sorry.

 

I hope it will be a temporary thing, the blasted thing is under three years old. What happened to electronics that lasted forever? My last TV was still working perfectly at 15 years.

[JeffP]

OK, 'puter back up and running, time allowed for scanning...we have lift off.

Tonight, for a bit of variety, we have wagon photos, all taken at the Barnetby CCE tip, circa late 1990. i think....the photos they were in with would say so, anyway.

 

First up, three shots of VDA van, 201038 in railfreight red/grey:

 

 

 

Then, four shots of "Dogfish" VFV, number DB983143:

 

 

 

Then, different liveried "Dogfish" number DB992896:

 

 

 

Before the final four, which are of side-tipping "Mermaid" ZJV, number  DB989196:

 

 

Now THERE is a wagon I wish David Parkins would do in 7mm....I bet HIS version would work!

 

 

Back to locos tomorrow. I found these in a pack we are clearing from the dining room display unit, having splashed out on a new one after thirty-odd years........

 

Hope they are of interest.

 

 

[trisonic]

Very nice photos Jeff. Many thanks.

 

Best, Pete.

[JeffP]

Back at Doncaster again today, with a glimpse into the works from the Kirk Street entrance, and some goings on at the station, also, a "first" for me.......

 

So let's do my "first" first:

 

 

First class 60 I ever saw, IIRC 60007 "Robert Adam" on what is probably a route-learning train of empty bogie steel carriers,leaving Scunthorpe East Yard, photographed from the Brigg Road bridge.  My memory tells me February, but what year? I remember waiting HOURS for it to come.

The depot at Frodingham can be made out in the background right behind 60007.

 

 

Next is Class 60, 60061 "Alexander Graham Bell" on an empty Manchester "binliner" passing south through Doncaster. It will turn off after St james' Bridge onto the route for Sheffield. On hot days, they absolutely stink!

 

 

And then we see class 60, 60059, "Samuel Plimsoll" on a rake of HAA's heading north through Doncaster, passing a London-bound electric service.

 

 

A shot of the HST power car with buffers, number 43067. I can't remember why this particular unit had the revised front end. it is heading north from platform 8, part of the works' test-train can be seen behind it.

 

 

Class 91, 91014 propels a London-bound service away from platform 3 at Doncaster.

 

 

Poor photo of a class 90 standing in for a 91 on the rear of another London-bound service from Doncaster, this time away from platform 1.

 

 

Looking into Doncaster Works from the Kirk Street entrance, we find class 37/0, 37074 in the triple grey livery. Behind it is class 31, 31565 in the "Dutch" engineers' livery.

 

 

Also at the works that day was NSE liveried class 47/7, 47716 "Duke of Edinburgh's award".

 

 

On another day, but at the same location, class 56, 56066 in triple grey stands in front of the paintshops, with an interesting wagon behind it.

 

 

And finally, for this works visit, the nose of class 37, 37252 hides the rest of an NSE liveried electric unit. The depot plaque had been removed from 37252 as can be seen in the previous picture, which leads me to believe it may have been in for cutting up? Early 90's anyway.

Edited December 31, 2013 by JeffP

[Grimleygrid]

Hi Jeff, thanks again for posting more of your collection. Very interesting and much appreciated.

 

Always nice to see class 60s in Sector livery.

 

Am I right in thinking 56066 has a cab missing? I wonder if it had had some sort of collision.

I plan to model 56066 in coal livery as at the start of 1991 it had round buffers at each end which is not normal for the Doncaster built examples. I think it would make for a nice change from the usual oval type buffers.

[Grimleygrid]

A quick search on the internet and it appears that 56066 did indeed have a collision in 1992:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/magility9/5331498336

 

[JeffP]

It looks like it is missing a cab, I wonder if I even noticed when I photgraphed it?

 

Tonight we move back in time to the mid-60's for some I found as trasparencies. These are real one-offs, my dad wouldn't lend me the camera very often. On one occasion he let me have it to go to Crewe, then contrived to lose the film, so I never got a single shot...not all dads were supportive of this hobby.

 

First off, some more diesels.

 

 

Sheffield Midland around 1965, "Peak" diesel, later class 45, D99 stands stabled awaiting it's next train. The loco is wearing GSYP livery and looks very care-worn considering it is relatively new.

 

 

Later in the day, same place we find fellow class member D53 "The Lancashire Fusilier" about to depart on a train for St Pancras. It, too, wears GSYP and is quite dirty. The loco really is green, but the cheap slide film, Perutz-Color, makes it seem bue-ish.

 

Even further back for the next three.

Three friends decided to go to York to see Bittern in store, so circa 1965 again, There was some steam working at York and a Jubilee came in heading south on a special.

 

Now we had had  the idea of "missing" our last train home and overnighting at York for a bit of excitement. We had already decided the day was too cold and dull and we weren't going to do it after all, when the "Jube" arrived. In the excitement, guess what? We missed our last train home.. we could only get as far as Doncaster.

 

So we had to ring my dad, and our three dads had a talk and my friend's dad came for us. Arriival home found us in serious bother...the mate whose dad came for us had two older brothers, one of which had "grassed us up" for plotting to stay out all night, and, of course, not one dad would then believe we had actually done it by accident.

Such are the ways of the world.

 

 

First shot shows withdrawn V2 60876 at York North shed.

 

 

Second shot is of likewise withdrawn V2 60810, same place.

 

Highlight of the shed visit for us was finding the next loco,

 

 

Peppercorn a1 60151 "Midlothian", minus plates, and bound for the cutter's torch. It was cabbed and generally given some love.

 

Arrival back at the station found it's sister loco 60145 "St Mungo" actually working, we were invited for a short cab-ride along the platform, my last cabbing of a live steam loco in real service (ie not preserved). And the last working A1 I ever saw.

 

I apologise for the poor quality of the steam photos especially. they were taken on my dad's Kodak Retinette 1B He tried to show me how to point the camera down to exclude the sky to get the exposure, but I always forgot. The very dull day meant that these three were actually half-decent, despite the cheap transparency film. Dirty locos, fag-end of a day, poor light, grime...it's steam as I remember it.

Edited December 31, 2013 by JeffP

[JeffP]

I thought I'd replied to this.

 

yYes, you are correct David, post ammended, thanks.

[squeaky]

I just gone through this whole thread, some great photos, brings back good memories of my spotting days, wish I'd have taken more pics.

 

Keep them coming

[Gloucester Road]

What a great collection of photos and memories.

[JeffP]

Three more oddities tonight, found whilst clearing another cupboard.

 

First one, taken in 1996 according to the folder it was in, is at Milford Junction, IIRC.

 

 

Class 59/2, 59202 with loaded coal hoppers heads east. It appears to be carrying a nameplate, but the Wiki site says no names were carried?

On closer inspection, it seems to be a cast numberplate?

 

 

Next, a poor shot of the weedkilling train stabled at Doncaster, headed by 20902, with 20901 at the rear. Nice condition, though.

 

 

And last for tonight, one of the brakevans used on the electrification train, again at Doncaster, type ZTR, number LDB954406.

 

Hopefully more tomorrow once this room is back to rights...again.....and I've stopped having to decorate.

 

[Fat Controller]

Weren't all the National Power Class 59s called 'Vale of ******'? I can't remember which, but York, Pickering and Glamorgan were amongst them.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Fat Controller

[Waverley47708]

Just got back from the Charity shop, where I donated nearly 200 paperbacks, most quite modern.

 

This lunchtime's offering:

 

Diesels 70's and 80's014.jpg

 

Class 101 unit heading east for Cleethorpes, about to cross Keadby Bridge, 24/9/87, 17:24.

 

Diesels 70's and 80's015.jpg

 

Just over a week later, we see Sprinter 150256 about to enter Crowle from the east, running alongside the Sheffield and South Yorkshire Navigation Stainforth and Keadby canal. 2/10/87, 18:10

 

Diesels 70's and 80's016.jpg

 

On the 3rd October 1978, Doncaster Works held an open day, and Class 08, 08562 named "The Doncaster Postman" was on display. 3/10/87, 15:15

 

Diesels 70's and 80's017.jpg

 

Also being shown, although awaiting scrapping, was class 46 46010.

 

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The last three show class 47 newly painted and lined out in LNER apple green, and named "Doncaster Enterprise" on that day.15:25/6& 16:10.

 

As an aside, during the 70's and 80's, I visited quite a few works, and NONE had such a good standard of paintwork as Doncaster. It was rare to find a blemish, let alone painted over flaking paint and rust, such as could be found at Crewe, which I found had the lowest standard.

 

 

Really enjoying a look at your photos always like a bit of 1980s action preferably pre sprinter though!

 

Re 47522 the reason for the repaint was a crash at Forteviot in 1982 when it hit a tractor on the level crossing.

 

http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0831050000210

 

 

Waverley47708

[keefer]

Weren't all the National Power Class 59s called 'Vale of ******'? I can't remember which, but York, Pickering and Glamorgan were amongst them.

According to the names encyclopedia at the railwaycentre.com, 59202 was 'vale of white horse'

It also states 201-205 were named, 206 had plates cast but were not carried and names were allocated to 207-212 but these weren't built

[JeffP]

Waverley, you wanted pre-Sprinter, this bunch, especially the first two, are for you.

 

 

No prizes for the location, Gateshead depot still there on the extreme right, the old steam shed still standing.

I had been lucky enough at age 14 to be taken on the excursion hauled by "Flying Scotsman", the "Scunthorpe Forum Flyer", round about March 1967. I was the guest of two of my dad's friends, and between York and Darlington, was lucky enough to have had ten minutes on the footplate!

 

 

We opted to go across the Forth Bridge, and this is Haymarket from the train, again, March 1967. Not a Deltic in sight.......

 

 

A few years later, around 1978, we see two views of class 44, 44004, "Great Gable" at Toton after a repaint, and renumbering back to D4.

 

 

Class 47 on an up train near Kegworth on the Midland main line.

 

 

And here, a class 45 heads in the opposite direction.

 

 

Last one at Kirton, a class 47 brings mgr hoppers westbound out of Kirton tunnel.

 

 

Seen at High Santon, east of Scunthorpe, a class 45, 45033 heads a train of steel carriers east towards Immingham.

 

 

Last for tonight, double-headed class 37's on the iron ore train seen at the ore terminal at what was then BSC Scunthorpe works.

Edited January 2, 2014 by JeffP

[DaveF]

This may be of some help:

 

The photo of the 47 where you are unsure of the location, is at Kegworth on the Midland north of Loughborough.  This link to one of my photos may help confirm it:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5537319375/in/set-72157626294728084

 

The 47 is on an up train.

 

I think the next photo of a Class 45 is also at Kegworth, in which in case it a down train.

 

I'll also just add how much I'm enjoying this thread, I hope there are lots more photos to come.

 

David

Edited January 2, 2014 by DaveF

[JeffP]

Correct again, though I have NO memory of taking those.......

Post amended. thanks.

[DaveF]

Correct again, though I have NO memory of taking those.......

Post amended. thanks.

 

Jeff,

 

I often find photos I don't remember taking in my files as well

 

David

[JeffP]

Oh, I think there'll be a few more like that once I get onto the earlier stuff......

[jonny777]

Excellent photos here again Jeff, thanks for posting them. Don't apologise for the quality, they are all priceless these days. The withdrawn steam locos at York are especially poignant, and the dark nature of the photos only emphasises the sense of despair that we spotters felt when we saw them in such a state. Yes, it was nice to cop a few that were needed but that feeling was overwhelmed by sadness and anger that such capable engines were just being allowed to rot.

[JeffP]

Absolutely....a lot of my spotting was done with the Scunthorpe And District railway Enthusiasts Society, or SADRES, and as you weren't allowed on club trips until you were 14, mine was 1966 onwards.

 

The result was writing down huge columns of numbers...then getting home to find that at least 20% of them were no longer in the latest book.