RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Another day, another haulage test - 8 Bachmann Mk1's. Some slippage on the uphill sections, but didn't stop it!! Edited February 19, 2015 by toboldlygo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thanks for the advice so far. My point about the side window cabs was that as they were also most of the class that were vacuum fitted, if there was a reason for the vacuum fitting on the side window cab variants that related to them being designed for the Colne Valley, then would a non-window cab, vaccum fitted, version also be likely to turn up on the same branch. And my understanding is the cab window version was designed for the Colne Valley where steam hauled passenger services tended to run the 20-odd miles Haverhill to Marks Tey rather than the Stour Valley where they ran Cambridge to Colchester where there was a turntable each end. Of course they did turn-up on the latter and other places. Thanks for the tip about the GERS, I am a longstanding member, thoroughly recommend it and will probably post on the site at some point if someone doesnt beat me to it, but felt posting on here will get any answers to a wider potential audience. Also I am slightly less interested in a more perfect model (which is probably beyond my capabilities) than a plausable back story that I can tell myself! Can anyone tell me the shed code on the other 2 models (LNER and late BR) please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I can understand the need for compromise to keep costs to a realistic level, the case for some simplification is indeed reasonable... Seems to me a well chosen 'mix'. Appears to be right in general dimensions and appearance, has a mechanism that performs well. Enough detail to suggest the fittings are present when viewed on a running loco; scope for the modeller to add extra detail as desired, without having first to cut away any moulded on or cast in representations which inevitably then needs making good. I can see one feature that's a little awkward on the underside, looks like the closer setting on the loco to tender drawbar will foul the socket. Same was the case on the K1, but turning the drawbar around was possible on this model. Probably going to have to make a new drawbar for the J15 when I get one. It's going to make my ancient Stephen Poole kitbuild look more than a bit shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, Steve, that's what you get when you work from memory. I did say they were a minefield.... I wanted to say that 65445 was one of the batch built with vacuum brake rather than having it fitted later, but checking pictures on the net, I could only see evidence for Westinghouse fitting. And yes, I typed Stour when I meant Colne. Off for a lie down and a cup of tea now. When I built my Gibson one (65388), I worked very carefully to photos and added/removed any number of details. Some years later I bought the relevant Yeadon and found several new pictures of 65388... with the opposite features to those I'd very carefully modelled. It's a lifetime study in itself, this class. Someone elsewhere has suggested that their LNER one has gold lettering - anyone got hold of one to confirm/deny? All the pictures I've seen look correctly yellow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Someone elsewhere has suggested that their LNER one has gold lettering - anyone got hold of one to confirm/deny? All the pictures I've seen look correctly yellow. http://www.ehattons.com/69489/Hornby_R3230_Class_J15_0_6_0_7524_in_LNER_livery/StockDetail.aspx Best I can do, seems to be the right colour to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2015 http://www.ehattons.com/69489/Hornby_R3230_Class_J15_0_6_0_7524_in_LNER_livery/StockDetail.aspx Best I can do, seems to be the right colour to me I agree. Just collected mine today. Definitely yellow. Looks yellow and also compared it to the P2 and it is unambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Change the number to a steam brake only (any advice on suitable 31A numbers?), or live with a wrong number. No pipes on the buffer beam. Unfitted goods only. Phil The only one I can see is 65425 and that met it's maker in 10/56. The steam brake versions did tend to go first as they were obviously less useful than the other machines. Get a dual fitted one as well. You know you want to. Bernard Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ady77014 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Mine arrived today. Early BR version. Very pleased with it. I glad I brought those Gresely Compartment coaches when I did now! Now I just need somewhere to run it (doh!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thanks for the advice so far. My point about the side window cabs was that as they were also most of the class that were vacuum fitted, if there was a reason for the vacuum fitting on the side window cab variants that related to them being designed for the Colne Valley, then would a non-window cab, vaccum fitted, version also be likely to turn up on the same branch. And my understanding is the cab window version was designed for the Colne Valley where steam hauled passenger services tended to run the 20-odd miles Haverhill to Marks Tey rather than the Stour Valley where they ran Cambridge to Colchester where there was a turntable each end. Of course they did turn-up on the latter and other places. Thanks for the tip about the GERS, I am a longstanding member, thoroughly recommend it and will probably post on the site at some point if someone doesnt beat me to it, but felt posting on here will get any answers to a wider potential audience. Also I am slightly less interested in a more perfect model (which is probably beyond my capabilities) than a plausable back story that I can tell myself! Can anyone tell me the shed code on the other 2 models (LNER and late BR) please? The model of 65445 carries a 30A shed plate. According to the MGNJRS publication, it arrived there from Parkeston Quay in January 1961. A picture in Locomotives Illustrated 162 shows it at Haverhill in August 1958, when it was allocated to Colchester, and the caption states it wen from there to Parkeston in November 1959. Seems to me a well chosen 'mix'. Appears to be right in general dimensions and appearance, has a mechanism that performs well. Enough detail to suggest the fittings are present when viewed on a running loco; scope for the modeller to add extra detail as desired, without having first to cut away any moulded on or cast in representations which inevitably then needs making good. I can see one feature that's a little awkward on the underside, looks like the closer setting on the loco to tender drawbar will foul the socket. Same was the case on the K1, but turning the drawbar around was possible on this model. Probably going to have to make a new drawbar for the J15 when I get one. It's going to make my ancient Stephen Poole kitbuild look more than a bit shabby. I found it would couple on the close setting although with almost no clearance between the drawbar and the wiring emanating from the plug. As I was afraid the motion of the drawbar might damage the insulation on the wires (or short circuit with the bare ends of the connectors in the plug), I cut off the outer 'loop' of the drawbar. However for the engine to pass my test for close coupling on the 'short' setting (to be able to get round the a crossover formed by two Peco double slips back to back), I had to remove a very small amount of metal from the loco 'fall plate' (in fact a rearward extension of the running plate casting) so that it would clear the hand brake standard on the tender. The amount was smaller than I could really measure, and I achieved it by gross misuse of a pair of Xuron track cutters, used as a side cutter small amounts at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Can anyone explain the assortment of pipes please? The instruction sheet for the R3230 LNER version shows three to be fitted on the front (locomotive) buffer beam and two to be fitted on the rear (tender) buffer beam. However, the sealed accessories pack only contains one pipe - the vacuum pipe for the rear. Are the others (two on the front and one on the rear) all Westinghouse pipes and therefore not applicable to 7524? Edited February 19, 2015 by teaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 These J15's look very sad and lonely on their own - they're better in the company of another Funnily enough, I was thinking the same of the surviving prototype last night. There's something just so uncomplaining and amiable about the design, they would surely seek each other's company. The Nim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2015 There are two Irish J15s preserved. They have each other for company. http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/images/184_186.jpg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Can anyone explain the assortment of pipes please? The instruction sheet for the R3230 LNER version shows three to be fitted on the front (locomotive) buffer beam and two to be fitted on the rear (tender) buffer beam. However, the sealed accessories pack only contains one pipe - the vacuum pipe for the rear. Are the others (two on the front and one on the rear) all Westinghouse pipes and therefore not applicable to 7524? 7524 was steam brake only so no pipes, Westinghouse or vacuum, front or rear. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 I love my J15, but... The front of the chimney on my model is absolutely vertical, the rear slopes inward to the smokebox top. It looks wrong to me. Are all models like this (because in fact it's correct) or have I got one with a wonky chimney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 There are two Irish J15s preserved. They have each other for company. http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/images/184_186.jpg The Irish railways adopted the LNER scheme for designating the wheel arrangement. Regrettably apart from both locomotive types being 0-6-0 mixed traffic types the similarities end there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Seems to me a well chosen 'mix'. Appears to be right in general dimensions and appearance, has a mechanism that performs well. Enough detail to suggest the fittings are present when viewed on a running loco; scope for the modeller to add extra detail as desired, without having first to cut away any moulded on or cast in representations which inevitably then needs making good. I can see one feature that's a little awkward on the underside, looks like the closer setting on the loco to tender drawbar will foul the socket. Same was the case on the K1, but turning the drawbar around was possible on this model. Probably going to have to make a new drawbar for the J15 when I get one. It's going to make my ancient Stephen Poole kitbuild look more than a bit shabby. I briefly tried moving the tender closer to the loco, using the other drawbar hole, and it seemed to be too close to traverse Peco medium radius points. I don't think it fouled the connector, though the wires hd to be moved sideways. Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris bales Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 My early BR version arrived today. What a superb model must be best 00 steam locomotive of the year easy. Well done to Hornby excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 If anyone else mentions how good their J15 is before I've got mine, there will be trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) 7524 was steam brake only so no pipes, Westinghouse or vacuum, front or rear. Bernard Thank you Bernard. Strange that Hornby supply an accessories pack that neither matches their own instructions nor has the correct fittings for the model it issupplied with. Edited February 19, 2015 by teaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) My early BR version arrived today. What a superb model must be best 00 steam locomotive of the year easy. Well done to Hornby excellent I may be sticking my neck out a bit here, but as a buyer of UK outline 00 products for some years from many manufacturers such as Hornby-Dublo, Tri-ang, Triang-Hornby, Wrenn, Trix, Lima****, with apologies to those I have omitted!! My personal view of the J15 is that it ranks as best 00 steam locomotive ever ( so far but bet theres more to come and not too far off!!) EDIT **** Whoops.. Sorry Bachmann I omitted you from the list but dont worry too much I have 1 of your locos due for delivery tomorrow Edited February 19, 2015 by Stevelewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Abel Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Arrghhh!!!! All this talk and pictures is driving me crazy the J15 looks and sounds superb, I just can't justify getting one, even applying rule #1 it seems too far fetched for my needs Is there any chance one was ever seen on/near southern rails?!?!?! Must resist...must resist... Edited February 19, 2015 by Ian Abel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 Arrghhh!!!! All this talk and pictures is driving me crazy the J15 looks and sounds superb, I just can't justify getting one, even applying rule #1 it seems too far fetched for my needs Is there any chance one was ever seen on/near southern rails?!?!?! Must resist...must resist... What about those cross London freight moves? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I briefly tried moving the tender closer to the loco, using the other drawbar hole, and it seemed to be too close to traverse Peco medium radius points. I don't think it fouled the connector, though the wires hd to be moved sideways. Stewart Works fine close coupled on Peco large radius points Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris bales Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Arrghhh!!!! All this talk and pictures is driving me crazy the J15 looks and sounds superb, I just can't justify getting one, even applying rule #1 it seems too far fetched for my needs Is there any chance one was ever seen on/near southern rails?!?!?! Must resist...must resist... Build your self a small Eastern branch line Ian. { Mid Suffolk Light comes to mind } couple of coaches half a dozen freight wagons. Sounds good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Strange that Hornby supply an accessories pack that neither matches their own instructions nor has the correct fittings for the model it issupplied with. I just find it so frustrating that Hornby have made such a giant stride to reclaim their number one spot but still mess things up with silly little errors. Most people probably don't mind but after over 30 years in a QC environment and having OCD tendencies is does wind me up a bit. Having originally consulted the acknowledged experts why the hell did they not get the final samples checked. Or asked about the choice of numbers. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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