Stevelewis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Just a few more general thoughts............I really like the fact that this loco is mostly made from metal!!, It recall the old Hornby-Dublo and Wrenn days when diecast was the norm, I remember when Triang came to the fore that the plastic locos whilst good for the time did not really seam 'quite like proper models' compared with their competition!! I am i suppose swayed somewhat by my 0n30 modelling where metal is the predominant material used for the locos by Bachmann making them very heavy, surefooted and brilliant brilliant performers. I am wondering what the future holds, will we see a move to increased use of metal bodies on UK stock I wonder. Having further run my J15 I can confirm that haulage capacity is probably far more than most users will require in normal use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I suspect Steve it may well become the norm for lightweight engines that would have difficulty pulling the proverbial skin off the rice pudding without some weight. At least it's better than the dreaded 'traction tyres'!! I do have a slight concern about the type of metal used knowing that some chassis, both Hornby, Bachmann and I believe Dapol, have had expansion problems due to faulty mixtures being used. When I worked for Britains the casters used to refer to the Mazak slush casting metal as 'Camel Crap'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2015 And useful for those who want to add a crew.... If running the model without a 'crew' it would stick out like a sore thumb, due to the 'open' nature of the cab. IIRC some of the class were indeed fitted with a tender cab for operation on some branches where tender first operation was common (Mildenhall?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingscotsmanfan Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 If running the model without a 'crew' it would stick out like a sore thumb, due to the 'open' nature of the cab. IIRC some of the class were indeed fitted with a tender cab for operation on some branches where tender first operation was common (Mildenhall?). The five J15s with tender cabs ran on the Colne Valley Line due to the line not having any turntables, there are more differences to the actual cab in the loco I strongly recommend the Yeadons on J15s as there is a picture on page 31. Also during the war the tenders on some locos had tarpaulins fixed on a metal frame from the tender, at some depots weatherboards were put up on the tenders. There is a lot of variation in this class so as with any models research is needed and make sure you have plenty of pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astockfan101 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I find myself wondering what RTR carriages might suit East Anglian trains? The Hornby Gresley and Thompson suburbans, obviously. The old Hornby Gresleys could pass for GE Section stock, and you could always stretch a point and use the Bachmann 'Henrietta' as an ex-Wisbech & Upwell Mid-Sussex coach. Don't forget the mark ones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) The boiler is pitched very low in these machines and so it opens the door to just about any 0-6-0 Tender engine from now on. Twin flywheels and metal body has me gobsmacked! Edited February 15, 2015 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 It has taken some time for the manufrs of UK outline to realise the potental of flywheels in steam outline locos. It has been the norm on Most US and many Continental steam locs for quite a long time now , which has greatly enhanced their running qualities. Now then Hornby hows about a Nice 8f with flywheels & a metal body (please) ........ sorry I realise this is a bit off the thread 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Whoops - With regard to my earlier post where I suggested that Hornby have the position of the rear handrail stanchions incorrect (sorry, I simply cannot get the 'reply quoting this post' button to work) I must apologise to Hornby. Reference to further photographs shows that the model is in fact absolutely correct. The position varied on each side of the boiler. Hornby have in fact got this spot-on. My sincere apologies to all concerned. Edited February 15, 2015 by orford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 On the subject of tender cabs, these were by no means restricted to the Colne Valley locos, which as Flyingscotsmanfan correctly points out had several other differences too (not least side windows in the cabs). But many other J15's also has tender cabs in the form of what the GER described as a 'weather board' which could be bolted temporarily or permanently to the tender of any J15. In fact it was pretty much a full 'half-cab' (if that is not a contradiction in terms). One of the three J15's on my layout (65457) will have such a weather board - and I have no excuse for not getting it right as I have in my possession a copy of the original GER Stratford works drawing for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Does anyone have a photograph or drawing of the offside of the locomotive (boiler, cab & footplate) in GER days please? Every one I have shows the nearside! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Yep - Have at least half a dozen. Have scanned them all for you. e-mail me direct please. Have 'PM'd you with my e-mail address. Any problems with it let me know here. Edited February 15, 2015 by orford 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) J15 Smoke Box Number Plates - note below was written a week or so ago, before the models hit the shops. . Edited February 15, 2015 by orford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The boiler is pitched very low in these machines and so it opens the door to just about any 0-6-0 Tender engine from now on... When I think of the struggle to wedge a concealed motor and drive line into the old Stephen Poole J15 kit, using the resources available in the 1970s, this model's drive line makes a very cheerful prospect. It has taken some time for the manufrs of UK outline to realise the potental of flywheels in steam outline locos... Ironic in a way that this has now begun to appear (Bach 9F, Hornby O1 and now J15) only after the electronic simulation of inertia became readily available from both DCC and many feedback DC controller designs. [Tangent] I do agree that of their older models, granting the 8F a redesign including a metal bodywork upgrade would be an asset to its traction. Easily the most feeble of all the RTR 8F 2-8-0s available. [/Tangent] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seems the record (known) haulage feat for a prototype J15 was 85 wagons, observed at March during the 1930's. Anyone tried it yet ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) When I think of the struggle to wedge a concealed motor and drive line into the old Stephen Poole J15 kit, using the resources available in the 1970s, this model's drive line makes a very cheerful prospect. Ironic in a way that this has now begun to appear (Bach 9F, Hornby O1 and now J15) only after the electronic simulation of inertia became readily available from both DCC and many feedback DC controller designs. [Tangent] I do agree that of their older models, granting the 8F a redesign including a metal bodywork upgrade would be an asset to its traction. Easily the most feeble of all the RTR 8F 2-8-0s available. [/Tangent] Actually there was much discussion in the press many years ago regarding flywheels in UK outline 00 locos,,,it was seen that the inclusion in USA outline made quite a difference to the achievement of smooth running, but even in those days even the UK diesels were not F wheel fitted! I am talking late 70s early 80s. We used to fit flywheels to our 0 gauge kit built locos wherever practical around that time and the benfit was very apparent. Edited February 16, 2015 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2015 And yet the otherwise terrible models in the Playcraft range were fitted with flywheels as early as the mid-Sixties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 And yet the otherwise terrible models in the Playcraft range were fitted with flywheels as early as the mid-Sixties. You have jogged a memory there!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ian Allan Waterloo had examples of all 3 in the cabinet today, but when I left with a L/C BR one, that was the last of those. I have a suspicion the LNER version has a lower cab profile, can anyone confirm? Further to the pics above, mine DOES have the red wheel in the cab, Only just given it a trundle up and down my layout, superb! Though it behaves as though the pickups might need adjusting a tad, no real problem to me. A cursory glance shows that it appears to have them on all 12 wheels - I like it. First job will be to simplify the wiring probably (no need for DCC socket). Then respray with Railmatch Dirty Black. That Hornby black is much too clean. Trouble is, I have one on order with T4U, so next visit will mean more expense. Still, one of them may get some mods such as stovepipe chimney and a cab tarpaulin. Incidently I only paid £80.50p for mine, thanks to £25 off with the loyalty card, so quite a bargain. If someone had told me back in the 70s that Hornby would be making a J15, and to this standard, I would have laughed at them!. Stewart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Hi,stewartingram. The LNER J15's do have the 'lower' cab roof. It is, along with the other BR condition J15's, a separately applied fitting in plastic. All the best, Market65. PS. I see that Hattons have now got their quota of J15's in stock. Edited February 16, 2015 by Market65 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2015 'Railway Bylines' covered the J15 quite comprehensively a few years ago. IIRC some had the higher cab roofs before nationalisation whilst others lasted well into nationalisation with the low cab roofs. Many GER locomotives had wooden cab roofs as well that were in most cases replaced by steel roofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2015 A cursory glance shows that it appears to have them on all 12 wheels - I like it. First job will be to simplify the wiring probably (no need for DCC socket). . Stewart Simplify the wiring? To what advantage? A DCC socket doesn't make it any worse for analogue use. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooped Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Well I put an order in direct from Hornby and cancelled my Hattons order yesterday, Hattons shipment turns up today so I tried to cancel the Hornby and go back, but you can't cancel a Hornby order it would seem. Oh well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) If anyone would like to build the lower cab sided earlier GER version/later type side window cab or fit the tender cab additions, please let me know as I have several spare etches for these versions from multiple builds of the Alan Gibson kit...probably about a fiver a go with free postage from here... Edited February 17, 2015 by EHertsGER 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted February 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2015 [size=4 PS. I see that Hattons have now got their quota of J15's in stock. Probably got a few spare with all the pre-orders that have apparently been cancelled! Izzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2015 Well I put an order in direct from Hornby and cancelled my Hattons order yesterday, Hattons shipment turns up today so I tried to cancel the Hornby and go back, but you can't cancel a Hornby order it would seem. Oh well. As long as their not identical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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