The Lurker Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Only at the "front" of down boat trains for the short section of the Folkestone Harbour branch, otherwise pretty much always the London end of all up and down boat trains. I grew up trainspotting in Kent up to the mid-80s, and never saw a boat train the other way round. See also the thread I linked to above (post 1033) for examples of MLVs on non-boat trains in the early 80s, i.e. still during the boat train period and before they spread their wings a bit, so to speak. Page 3 of that thread and others. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/43622-mlv-pre-production-shots/page-3 funny how your memory plays tricks isn't it? (or at least my memory, in any case). I caught the train to school from 78 - 85 so right in the era you're talking about. Mind you I have a distinct memory of watching the FA Cup Final where Kevin Moran got sent off while I was a student in Leeds. Trouble is, he was sent off in the 85 final when I was still living in Kent! Anyway, back to Dave's excellent photos...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2014 After leaving Alston last Friday I drove over Hartside pass (1906 feet above sea level) and after stopping to admire the view over the Eden Valley to the Lake Diasrict hills continued on to Langwathby on the S&C. A train was due a few minutes after I arrived so I took a few photos of the station and the train, a 153 leading a 158. You can clearly see how the platform has been raised. Langwathby down platform shelter 26th September 2014 DSC_4130 Langwathby looking north 26th September 2014 DSC_4132 Langwathby rear of station building 26th September 2014 DSC_4133 Langwathby 153301 and 158 up Carlisle to Leeds 26th September 2014DSC_4136 Langwathby vinyl on 158 26th September 2014 DSC_4139 Langwathby 153301 and 158784 up pass Carlisle to Leeds 26th September 2014 DSC_4141 David 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Nice photos as usual David. The least I say about the livery on that Class 158 the better..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think anything with an MLV and a normal headcode would indeed have been a boat train. Obviously there were ECS moves through Tonbridge, not least with units going to/from Chart Leacon for work, but that would be very occasional by comparison. And, certainly in my lifetime, pretty much anything on the Folkestone Harbour branch would have been boat traffic. The passengers were referred to as "Classic", in contrast to those who accessed Dover or Folkestone by ordinary service trains and made their own way to the ferries. These days, under EU auspices, Summer Time starts and ends in the UK and mainland Europe on the same day, so the UK remains one hour behind Europe. It wasn't always so, and juggling timetables for the few weeks when France and UK were other than I hour apart took some thinking about! In my early days at Eurotunnel, there was one year when the UK and France had the same time for a month- bliss.. Tomorrow, I'm up at 03:30 (UK) for an 05:30 start in Coquelles; hardly worth going to bed.. IIRC, Boat Trains for Folkestone Harbour didn't have a timetabled stop at Folkestone Central or West. I was down the Harbour for some (overpriced and not very good) fish and ships the other week- a lot of the non-rail buildings, such as the Control Tower and the Customs shed either have been or are being demolished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think anything with an MLV and a normal headcode would indeed have been a boat train. Obviously there were ECS moves through Tonbridge, not least with units going to/from Chart Leacon for work, but that would be very occasional by comparison. And, certainly in my lifetime, pretty much anything on the Folkestone Harbour branch would have been boat traffic. The passengers were referred to as "Classic", in contrast to those who accessed Dover or Folkestone by ordinary service trains and made their own way to the ferries. These days, under EU auspices, Summer Time starts and ends in the UK and mainland Europe on the same day, so the UK remains one hour behind Europe. It wasn't always so, and juggling timetables for the few weeks when France and UK were other than I hour apart took some thinking about! Bl**dy 'equal clocks' - a right faffin' nuisance, and just for a week or two (and a right pain when returning from a meeting in Paris or Bruxelles, meant I got home an hour later). One of the best things the EU has done was synchronise the dates when the clocks change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) This evening we stay on the Southern at the south end of Polhill Tunnel. From time to time I stopped there on the way back to Essex from days out south of the Thames. For some reason the sun rarely shone, indeed it often rained. Polhill Tunnel Class 415 5199 Sevenoaks to Charing Cross Nov 78 C4209 Polhill Tunnel Class 415 5236 Charing Cross to Sevenoaks March 79 C4357 Polhill Tunnel Class 33/2 down light engine Nov 79 C4873 My yellow Citroen Dyane is on the left. Polhill Tunnel Class 411 411509 Ashford to Charing Cross and Class 201 to Hastings July 80 C5081 Polhill Tunnel Class 411 7188 Ashford to Charing Cross July 80 C5085 David Edited October 1, 2014 by DaveF 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) ...Polhill Tunnel Class 33 down light engine Nov 79 C4873 My yellow Citroen Dyane is on the left. It's one of the 12 narrow Hastings gauge 33/2s I think. And according to Google street view, the Citroen isn't there any more, but not much else changed. Edited October 1, 2014 by eastwestdivide 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hi, Dave. Good to see the photo's of Langwathby on the 26th, September. The class 158 has that small '52' designation on the bottom of it's cab end which was introduced some months ago to help distinguish the different ends of the class 158's. The photo's at the south end of Polhill Tunnel show some typical trains, and the 33 is a 33/2, you can tell by the narrow appearance of the body. I particularly like the first photo', C4209, of class 415, 5199, in November, 1978. It, for me, is a classic shot of an EMU running through the countryside. All the best, Market65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) It's one of the 12 narrow Hastings gauge 33/2s I think. And according to Google street view, the Citroen isn't there any more, but not much else changed. The train approaching the bridge in street view has changed a bit! Edited October 1, 2014 by mullie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2014 On Friday I continued on my way after leaving Langwathby until I arrived at Clifton, on the WCML south of Penrith. At the southern end of the up loop there is an overbridge on a minor road with space to park, it is also possible to see over the parapet! Some views are also available from the road. Clifton 185126 up 26th September 2014 DSC_4145 Clifton 350409 down 26th September 2014 DSC_4146 Clifton Class 390 Pendolino up 26th September 2014 DSC_4152 Clifton 2 Class 221s up 26th September 2014 DSC_4155 Clifton 2 Class 221s up 26th September 2014 DSC_4158 Clifton Class 390 Pendolino down 26th September 2014 DSC_4163 David 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Fine photos as usual is Langwathby station in private hands or is it a Northern run station,the wcml photos are interesting how often is the loop used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Fine photos as usual is Langwathby station in private hands or is it a Northern run station,the wcml photos are interesting how often is the loop used? It's a Northern unstaffed station, the main building is/was a privately run cafe/restaurant but is now for sale. I have seen the loop used at Clifton in the past but haven't been there much in the past few years so don't know how often. David Edited October 2, 2014 by DaveF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2014 I know it's a bit early but here are the second batch for today, taken on the London Tilbury and Southend in the 70s. Fenchurch Street Station frontage February 1980 View east Fenchurch Street October 1978 An 8 car train 302275 at rear leaves Fenchurch Street May 1979 West Horndon 308315 up pass May 79 C4552 West of Laindon Class 308 up pass Sept 75 C2448 David 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is that red-brick structure to the right of the unit in the second photo a former wagon-lift to serve a low-level goods depot? I have a recollection of passing such a structure when Lynne worked nearby a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is that red-brick structure to the right of the unit in the second photo a former wagon-lift to serve a low-level goods depot? I have a recollection of passing such a structure when Lynne worked nearby a couple of years ago. I think it's the hydraulic accumulator tower from the old Midland Railway goods depot, City Goods, used from 1862 to 1949. It was next to the Royal Mint Street goods depot which from 1861 was leased to the Great Northern Railway. There are photos in Eastern Mail Lines, Fenchurch Street to Barking, published by Middleton Press. I think there is also information in other books on the LT&S but haven't looked at them recently. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think it's the hydraulic accumulator tower from the old Midland Railway goods depot, City Goods, used from 1862 to 1949. It was next to the Royal Mint Street goods depot which from 1861 was leased to the Great Northern Railway. There are photos in Eastern Mail Lines, Fenchurch Street to Barking, published by Middleton Press. I think there is also information in other books on the LT&S but haven't looked at them recently. David Thanks, David. When you see all the offices down there, it's easy to forget this was a very busy commercial port until after WW2. I was not impressed by 'Royal Mint Street', which, despite its name, was more like something in the Byker area. Mind you, my impressions may have been coloured after we were almost run over by HM the Queen; we thought that the nice policeman had stopped the traffic for us to cross the road... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I know it's a bit early but here are the second batch for today, taken on the London Tilbury and Southend in the 70s. a Fenchurch Street Station frontage February 1980.jpg Fenchurch Street Station frontage February 1980 a View east Fenchurch Street Octobe 1978.jpg View east Fenchurch Street October 1978 a An 8 car train 302275 at rear leaves Fenchurch Street May 1979.jpg An 8 car train 302275 at rear leaves Fenchurch Street May 1979 g West Horndon 308315 up pass May 79 C4552.jpg West Horndon 308315 up pass May 79 C4552 h West of Laindon Class 308 up pass Sept 75 C2448.jpg West of Laindon Class 308 up pass Sept 75 C2448 David Suzuki AP50 & a Honda stepthrough on the first pic . You would get a lot more for either one of them, these days. Than you paid for one in them days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi, Dave. Very good photo's of Clifton and the L T &S R today. Really am enjoying your photo's, and please keep them coming. All the best, Market65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 3, 2014 Nice pics of the 308s still with their motor luggage vans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 3, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2014 Last Saturday afternoon I had a bit of spare time so visited Acton Bridge station on the WCML south of Warrington. Acton Bridge 350110 down 27th September 2014 Acton Bridge Class 390 Pendolino down 27th September 2014 Acton Bridge 350265 down 27th September 2014 Acton Bridge Class 390 Pendolino up 27th September 2014 Acton Bridge Class 221 down 27th September 2014 Now for something which might be used on a railway bridge instead of the usual bus! On the way back to where I was staying I passed a steam roller and decided to wait for it at Acton Swing Bridge over the River Weaver. The steam roller was hauling a living van, water bowser and a Land Rover. It would be something a little different to model and a good excuse for a traffic jam. The Baroness Garrett road roller of 1922 The Baroness Garrett road roller of 1922 DSC_4238 David 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Ooh, haven't seen John Millington's Garrett without her canopy, and lacking some of the steel boiler cladding too. She would be heading to the Leigh Arms for the Steam Party this coming weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 3, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2014 A few photos of Beckfoot, just south of Lowgill on the WCML for this evening. Beckfoot Class 17 D8531 up with brake van April 68 J1253 Beckfoot Class 47 D1845 Perth to Euston April 68 J1257 Beckfoot Class 40 D307 down parcels April 68 J1259 Beckfoot 87015 up ex pass 10th Aug 87 C8911 Beckfoot 86603 & 86639 down cars 11th April 95 C20038 David 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Beckfoot D307, Southern van alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Excellent photos like the Fenchurch St ones, that steam roller looks Fred Dibnah on the move expect the driver has not got a flat cap on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Fantastic shot of D307! Now that is a mixed van train! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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