Fat Controller Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Ah, until you know the secret. There was one working in the north east which was still running as Class 9, unfitted in 1992 and this might possibly be the one as I think it was for shipment coal. We had a similar flow in South Wales, to Swansea Docks, and in that case unfitted wagons had to be used because of the handling gear for loading the ship. The same I think applied to the flow in the north east but I can't recall any details of it as it was only briefly mentioned at a meeting where we were asked to give up Class 9 for use by Eurostar and it came out that several of us - unbeknown to our colleagues from elsewhere on BR - were still running a very limited number of unfitted trains in highly localised places and for similar (I think) reasons. There was a flow of alumina from the terminal at North Blyth to the plant at Lynemouth, using unfitted private-owner covered hoppers built in the 1970s, which was probably the train you were told about, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2015 Ah, until you know the secret. There was one working in the north east which was still running as Class 9, unfitted in 1992 and this might possibly be the one as I think it was for shipment coal. We had a similar flow in South Wales, to Swansea Docks, and in that case unfitted wagons had to be used because of the handling gear for loading the ship. The same I think applied to the flow in the north east but I can't recall any details of it as it was only briefly mentioned at a meeting where we were asked to give up Class 9 for use by Eurostar and it came out that several of us - unbeknown to our colleagues from elsewhere on BR - were still running a very limited number of unfitted trains in highly localised places and for similar (I think) reasons. Wasn't this the North Blyth to Lynemouth Alcan alumina workings using the old Covhops? Winning 56112 Alcan from Lynemouth 23rd Feb 90 C14064 David 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) There was a flow of alumina from the terminal at North Blyth to the plant at Lynemouth, using unfitted private-owner covered hoppers built in the 1970s, which was probably the train you were told about, Mike. Could be Brian - I honestly can't remember and in any case our main concern was what one earth we would be able to do if (when) we lost the Class 9 headcode and whether or not we could stop the march of the Eurostar juggernaut (which of course we couldn't). And thanks Peter for mentioning the other one - I know there was a flow in former LMR territory as well but my oppo from Crewe neglected to say much about it. Edited January 31, 2015 by The Stationmaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) The only other photo I have of a 56 on the old hoppers was taken a bit earlier on the same day, followed by le + brake, after which it returned with the second train in the photo in the earlier post (at 11.47). Winning 56134 coal Lynemouth to West staithes 10.28 6th July 1987 C8628 Winning 56134 le plus brake to Lynemouth 10.52 6th July 1987 C8632 David Edited January 31, 2015 by DaveF 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Re unfitted trains. Was the Grimsby Tioxide working one of the last ones too? Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hi Dave C8927 the Portobello DMU shot does look like a hybrid, but it's not a Class 101 on the rear. Being Scotland could it be a Class107? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 Or a 120, but unable to check further at the mo'. In photo C8040 of 26027/021 at Haymarket, you can just make out a DMU with plated windows. This would be one of 55013-5, cl.122 bubblecars which became cl.131 after plating windows and fitting cage mesh inside remaining ones. Also an extra set of double doors on each side. Originally, they were blue but I think only one got blue/grey, 13 or 15. They were the ScR's home-made equivalent of the purpose-built cl.128 - often to be found tacked on to a convenient DMU set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 C8632. 1. Excuse for large loco/small train 2. Great for weathering ideas. Thanks P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2015 Some from Edge Hill for this evening. These were taken on a January Saturday when I was a student living in Manchester. I generally avoided doing any academic work at weekends. Edge Hill Derby dmu Wigan North Western to Liverpool Lime St Jan 72 C0792 Edge Hill Trans Pennine dmu Liverpool Lime St to Hull, away shot and 08033 Jan 72 C795 Edge Hill Derby dmu Liverpool Lime St to Wigan North Western Jan 72 C798 Edge Hill Derby dmu Liverpool Lime St to Warrington Jan 72 C799 Edge Hill Derby dmu Liverpool to Warrington, away shot Jan 72 C0800 David 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 Dave, you actually worked during the week? Blimey, you must have been an exceptional student. 'twas a wee bit grim in the 70s railway wise was it not? Great pics as usual though. However I found that most railway workers I encountered in the 70s were 'true railway', many being ex steam age and most were kind and helpful (except for one Foreman at Tinsley) when it came to being asked about their work. On spotting shed bashes I tried to spend time talking with staff rather than just rushing around taking numbers. I also got 'benefits' from making friends with the staff at Wellingborough when I lived there (1975 - 1979) in the form of cab rides and signal box 'shifts' and learning about TOPS from a bloke in the Depot Admin Office. Happy days if a little monotonous loco livery wise! Phil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 That photo of the dmu in the first edge hill photo is amazingly grim, quite like it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 The shunter in C795 is (D)3033 Dave. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Dave, you are a life saver, mate! I've been looking for photos of Edge Hill showing the footbridge, and there it is. Thank you so much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Dave, you actually worked during the week? Blimey, you must have been an exceptional student. 'twas a wee bit grim in the 70s railway wise was it not? Great pics as usual though. However I found that most railway workers I encountered in the 70s were 'true railway', many being ex steam age and most were kind and helpful (except for one Foreman at Tinsley) when it came to being asked about their work. On spotting shed bashes I tried to spend time talking with staff rather than just rushing around taking numbers. I also got 'benefits' from making friends with the staff at Wellingborough when I lived there (1975 - 1979) in the form of cab rides and signal box 'shifts' and learning about TOPS from a bloke in the Depot Admin Office. Happy days if a little monotonous loco livery wise! Phil I did a Joint Degree in Botany and Zoology so I had lectures from 9.30 for three (sometimes four) hours five mornings a week and practical session 4 afternoons a week, plus field trips in holidays. It was good fun and not really very hard work. And yes, it could be a bit grim in some parts of the railway. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Dave, you are a life saver, mate! I've been looking for photos of Edge Hill showing the footbridge, and there it is. Thank you so much. Here's another with the footbridge. Edge Hill Derby dmu Wigan North Western to Liverpool Lime St Jan 72 C796 David Edited January 31, 2015 by DaveF 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 I did a Joint Degree in Botany and Zoology so I had lectures from 9.30 for three (sometimes four) hours five mornings a week and practical session 4 afternoons a week, plus field trips in holidays. It was good fun and not really very hard work. And yes, it could be a bit grim in some parts of the railway. David Sorry Dave, but I can't get Mr Chinnery out of my head. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hi, Dave. I like tonight's photo's of Edge Hill. Some bleak looking scenes, but that is how things were back then on the railway. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Great set of photos Dave brings back great memories even though just a bit before my time. Thanks for all your uploads. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2015 27033 looks like its had a traction motor flashover or a bogie fire. I'm guessing its one of the ones flogged to death on the Glasgow-Edinburgh services. How grotty and depressing everything at Edge Hill looks... Andy G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 1, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2015 Another visit to Teddy Boston's 2' gauge line in the garden at his rectory in Cadeby this afternoon. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Dad met Teddy at Cambridge after the war and they remained friends until Teddy's death. There wasn't all that much space at Cadeby, you had to be alert to avoid being run over by vehicles or trains. Cadeby Foster Fiery Elias and Aveling Porter Thistledown on rectory drive Sept 70 C458 Cadeby Bagnall 0-4-0ST Pixie Oct 69 J2010 Cadeby Simplex motor rail loco and coach Oct 70 J2411 Cadeby vertical boiler loco, Teddy on board March 71 J2543 Cadeby Orenstein and Koppel 0-4-0WT April 74 C1581 Cadeby Hudswell Clarke diesel 558 May 74 J3676 David 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 RE:IMAGE J4360 Interesting, I don't recall seeing many, if any, 12 car AM 10 / 310 Unit workings! I remember my first visit to Euston in 1967 and almost all the AM10s were running as 12car formations. Mind you, it was August Bank holiday so that might have been the reason. I was made up, because it meant I could underline three numbers for every train that arrived so formed. Coming from rural Lincolnshire I had lots of big gaps when it came to ABC pages of electric stock. I think some rush hour services carried on with 12 cars into the 70s, but maybe they increased the frequency and cut the length to 8 cars after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 1, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2015 Now for some on the Great Eastern between Church Lane crossing (north of Ingatestone) and Marks Tey. This was an area I quite often visited on Saturday afternoons when I lived in Basildon. Church Lane level crossing Class 31 down pass in rain March 75 C1903 Margaretting Class 37 Norwich to Liverpool St in rain Oct 74 C1809 Hatfield Peverel Class 37 down ex pass April 75 C1959 Hatfield Peverel Class 47 Liverpool St to Norwich April 75 C1961 Marks Tey 31122 up parcels Oct 75 C2476 The prototype 4PEP is in the background David 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 Hi, Dave. Great photo's. Love those of Cadeby, and Teddy Boston's 2' gauge line. Then in C1903, with a 31 in March, 1975, is one of those really classic views that I do like to see. In C2476, the second vehicle is, I think I'm right in saying, a former LMS BG. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) David, Love the “Big Sky” views of Margaretting! Used to frequent the “Red Lion” there - when it was a musician’s Pub. Many thanks, Pete. Edited February 2, 2015 by trisonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2015 David, Love the “Big Sky” views of Margaretting! Used to frequent the “Red Lion” there - when it was a musician’s Pub. Many thanks, Pete. Hi Pete Do you remember the donkeys in the field next to the crossing they were there for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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