RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted November 11, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) ECML in Yorkshire today with more photos from Pilmoor on various dates in the 60s and 70s. Pilmoor Class 46 D187 Newcastle to Liverpool July 67 J966 Pilmoor A4 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley special Doncaster to Edinburgh Aug 67 J1052 Pilmoor Class 55 9019? to Kings X Jan 68 J1201 12.00 Newcastle to Kings X via Sunderland- thanks to Mark 54 for this. Pilmoor Class 40 up le July 70 C234 Pilmoor Class 37 37134 up vans Aug 75 J4543 David Edited November 12, 2016 by DaveF 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted November 11, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2016 That girder bridge doesn't seem to have much space between it and the class 37 on the slow line. Interestingly, it seems to be slightly arched. I wouldn't like to have to make an accurate model. Lovely photos, as always. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 11, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2016 The Class 55 in J1201 has a two line nameplate so is not 9013 The Black Watch. Possibly 9019 as the top line looks like one word, as in Royal Highland Fusiliers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 11, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2016 The Class 55 in J1201 has a two line nameplate so is not 9013 The Black Watch. Possibly 9019 as the top line looks like one word, as in Royal Highland Fusiliers. Many thanks, I hadn't noticed the nameplate size. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2016 Hi, Dave. As always, it is great to see the photos of Pilmoor. I like, in particular, the one of Sir Nigel Gresley. The loco was clearly in good condition that day, and in the formation being hauled by Sir Nigel is an ex - LNER Gresley buffet car. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2016 The Class 55 in J1201 has a two line nameplate so is not 9013 The Black Watch. Possibly 9019 as the top line looks like one word, as in Royal Highland Fusiliers. 9019 went blue in November 1967 so I don't think it can be that one. The date of the A4 tour was 20 August 1967. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 ECML in Yorkshire today with more photos from Pilmoor on various dates in the 60s and 70s. Pilmoor Class 55 D9013 The Black Watch Edinburgh to Kings X Jan 68 J1201.jpg Pilmoor Class 55 9019? to Kings X Jan 68 J1201 David I would like to suggest that the Deltic in the photo is D9006. Unless it is a blemish on the photo, there appears to be a mark on the side of the loco, just in front of the large grill above the nameplate, which is also shown on the linked photo of D9006 below. https://flic.kr/p/ygW6CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 I would like to suggest that the Deltic in the photo is D9006. Unless it is a blemish on the photo, there appears to be a mark on the side of the loco, just in front of the large grill above the nameplate, which is also shown on the linked photo of D9006 below. https://flic.kr/p/ygW6CJ There is no crest above the nameplate in Dave's photo though. I think it is more likely to be D9011, which also has the paint blemish in the same place and no crest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/70023venus2009/8217068853/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/36916510@N03/3468200439/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 There is no crest above the nameplate in Dave's photo though. I think it is more likely to be D9011, which also has the paint blemish in the same place and no crest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/70023venus2009/8217068853/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/36916510@N03/3468200439/ Yes it does look as though it is D9011. Only a couple of months before going into Doncaster works and coming back out in blue. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 That girder bridge doesn't seem to have much space between it and the class 37 on the slow line. Interestingly, it seems to be slightly arched. I wouldn't like to have to make an accurate model. At least it's welded i.e. no rivets to make Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted November 12, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) More ECML photos this evening, this time heading north from Peterborough. Peterborough Class 37 37102 ecs 22nd July 74 C1715 Year now corrected - my poor typing once again. Swayfield Class 55 up Sept 68 J1462 13.00 Newcastle to Kings X Stoke summit near Class 47 up Tees Tyne Pullman July 69 J1777 09.15 Newcastle to Kings X Tees Tyne Pullman Peasclife Tunnel Class 47 1111? down Dec 70 J2466 10.20 KX to Leeds/Hull Muskham Class 47 down Feb 71 J2507 12.00 Kimngs X to Hull Many thanks once again to Mark 54 for his train identification. He gives more details in his post at the top of the next page (post No 8276) David Edited November 12, 2016 by DaveF 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hi Dave More brilliant photos - thanks again Do we have another loco ID quandary I wonder? J2466 - if that were D1516 being one of the original generator batch she would have ETH and an oval Brush built works plate - cant see any ETH and she has a square Crewe built works plate Are we looking at a loco from the D11xx batch perhaps? Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 More wonderful shots Dave but the date of July 1972 is surely too early for photo C1715 if the 37 is renumbered? Looks like an interesting manoeuvre with the loco sandwiched between coaches and a DMU. Best regards, Bill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 I would like to know the identity of the 'animal' on the upturned wheelbarrow in J1777. I've been looking at it a while now and I still can't work out what it is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hi, Dave. I like the ECML photos, a really good selection. In the last one at Muskham, in February, 1971, I think from the headcode, the train is on its way to Hull. Those who know about headcodes will soon be able to confirm or deny it. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 I thought the original generator class 47's had the ethical cable on the bufferbeam, and the later eth conversions had them just above the bufferbeam? Hi Dave More brilliant photos - thanks again Do we have another loco ID quandary I wonder? J2466 - if that were D1516 being one of the original generator batch she would have ETH and an oval Brush built works plate - cant see any ETH and she has a square Crewe built works plate Are we looking at a loco from the D11xx batch perhaps? Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hi Dave More brilliant photos - thanks again Do we have another loco ID quandary I wonder? J2466 - if that were D1516 being one of the original generator batch she would have ETH and an oval Brush built works plate - cant see any ETH and she has a square Crewe built works plate Are we looking at a loco from the D11xx batch perhaps? Kind regards Phil I agree it doesn't look like one of the generator locos. It seems to have a Stones boiler, which means it could be D1101-11 but not D1100 (which had a clayton boiler). There were about 80 locos with Stones boilers, but not all of them were Crewe built and some others had blue livery from new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Agreed! http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=D1516&view=detailv2&&id=013778D863C7083696ED0A901F5FA19632AF202B&selectedIndex=166&ccid=9SclBwFY&simid=608011514570869501&thid=OIP.Mf5272507015855dfa822f2e8da3cc3cco0&ajaxhist=0 And D1516 had a Spanner boiler Phil Edited November 12, 2016 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hi Dave More brilliant photos - thanks again Do we have another loco ID quandary I wonder? J2466 - if that were D1516 being one of the original generator batch she would have ETH and an oval Brush built works plate - cant see any ETH and she has a square Crewe built works plate Are we looking at a loco from the D11xx batch perhaps? Kind regards Phil Downloading the photo and fiddling with the contrast suggests that it might(??) be the elusive (to me) 1111 (no 'D' by this date). Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 12, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 More wonderful shots Dave but the date of July 1972 is surely too early for photo C1715 if the 37 is renumbered? Looks like an interesting manoeuvre with the loco sandwiched between coaches and a DMU. Best regards, Bill I'm pleased you noticed that Bill, it's another example of my poor typing, it should be 1974, July. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 12, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hi Dave More brilliant photos - thanks again Do we have another loco ID quandary I wonder? J2466 - if that were D1516 being one of the original generator batch she would have ETH and an oval Brush built works plate - cant see any ETH and she has a square Crewe built works plate Are we looking at a loco from the D11xx batch perhaps? Kind regards Phil I thought the original generator class 47's had the ethical cable on the bufferbeam, and the later eth conversions had them just above the bufferbeam? I agree it doesn't look like one of the generator locos. It seems to have a Stones boiler, which means it could be D1101-11 but not D1100 (which had a clayton boiler). There were about 80 locos with Stones boilers, but not all of them were Crewe built and some others had blue livery from new. Agreed! http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=D1516&view=detailv2&&id=013778D863C7083696ED0A901F5FA19632AF202B&selectedIndex=166&ccid=9SclBwFY&simid=608011514570869501&thid=OIP.Mf5272507015855dfa822f2e8da3cc3cco0&ajaxhist=0 And D1516 had a Spanner boiler Phil Downloading the photo and fiddling with the contrast suggests that it might(??) be the elusive (to me) 1111 (no 'D' by this date). Bill I'm not at all surprised by the number error. Although I have all Dad's slide catalogues I don't have any of the notes he sometimes made on the day, so I'm never sure whether the numbers he lists are what he wrote on the day or what he thought he saw on the slide using a hand lens. That applies to a lot of the images with a "J" number. So I'm always pleased when I get comments leading to a better I D as I can then update the catalogue. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2016 In C1715 I assume (probably wrongly!) that the class 37 has brought in a semifast of some kind from the Cross and another loco is about to take it back south, releasing the loco shown for another duty; hence the driver is at this end. But of course I may have got south and north wrong. And is the dead animal the photographer's coat? Probably not; more likely his lunch. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Yes the 47 is definitely not 1516 as that was in blue by 1970, as well as all the other things people have mentioned. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2016 I would like to know the identity of the 'animal' on the upturned wheelbarrow in J1777. I've been looking at it a while now and I still can't work out what it is! Looks a bit like a small deer. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 12, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 In C1715 I assume (probably wrongly!) that the class 37 has brought in a semifast of some kind from the Cross and another loco is about to take it back south, releasing the loco shown for another duty; hence the driver is at this end. But of course I may have got south and north wrong. And is the dead animal the photographer's coat? Probably not; more likely his lunch. Jonathan I think that 42 years ago I knew what the ecs was for but didn't write it down. I haven't a clue now. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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