RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2016 Hi, Dave. Interesting photo's of Underground trains. Blake Hall would make a good model being in the countryside, and single track. Farringdon is, of course, typical of the underground lines that more people will think of when the underground is mentioned. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 C4501 presumably that's a connection between the LT and BR lines at the end of the platform, right hand side. Doesn't look like it saw much use judging by the colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Blake Hall would make a good model being in the countryside, and single track. The operating opportunities would be rather limited. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Back in the late 70s the Ongar model railway club had a model of both Ongar and Blake Hall, as a thirteen year old boy being given the opportunity to operate it was a real treat. If I remember correctly the Ongar part could be operated separately or joined to Blake Hall. I think the Ongar track plan was more or less faithful and I had never seen SMP track or soldered points before. The buildings could simply be measured as nearly all still existed at that time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 C4501 presumably that's a connection between the LT and BR lines at the end of the platform, right hand side. Doesn't look like it saw much use judging by the colour. It was - http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/WidenedLines.html gives a better view of the crossover. ICBW but I believe that it was last used in the 1960s when the occasional freight still ran along the Metropolitan and it used this to gain access to the Snow Hill route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 What route did the stock movements for the Northern City line take? There's plenty of photos of the battery locos and stock going through King's Cross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 whats that blue arch for at Farringdon, i see wires on it but i doubt it was for that orginally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2016 It appears to be a standard LT 'cable arch'. Very interesting shots of LT stuff, thanks Dave. Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 It was - http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/WidenedLines.html gives a better view of the crossover. ICBW but I believe that it was last used in the 1960s when the occasional freight still ran along the Metropolitan and it used this to gain access to the Snow Hill route. The crossover continued to be used until 1975 for stock transfers to/from the Northern City Line which, post-1970, ran from Neasden via that connection to the Widened Lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted October 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) The crossover had certainly gone by the time I worked in the area a few years after 1975 as I used that station every day for a number of years. In the first of the sequence you can see part of the old warehouse, still showing signs of bomb damage. Part of the building was being used as a car park. Hence the ramp in the later photo. Of course, it has gone now, replaced by a pretty anodyne office block. However, I seem to remember that the closeness to the Widened Lines, by then electrified at 25 kV, caused the building designers some problems is ensuring no interference with IT equipment in the offices. And our model railway club (Welwyn Garden City & District) built a layout called Finsbury Squuare and planned to use a low relief model of the warehouse as a backscene. It never happened because the club lost its premises and closed. But the photos I took at the time proved the starting point for an article about the warehouse and area in the HMRS Journal a couple of years ago. Jonathan Edited October 30, 2016 by corneliuslundie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 30, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2016 The first batch for today are from visits to the Keighley and Worth Valley in the late 60s and early 70s. Keighley 41241 July 68 J1340 Keighley Ivatt 2-6-2T 41241 Oxenhope to Keighley July 68 J1335 Keighley Ivatt Class 2MTT 41241 Keighley to Oxenhope, view across GNR goods yard July 68J1330 Haworth Manning Wardle Sir Berkeley Aug 66 J598 I'm not sure why Mum was apparently leaning on the loco. Haworth WD ex SJ 1931 Feb 1973 C1208 Haworth Fred Sept 70 J2341 David 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2016 Excellent again David What were they thinking about with those livery's? When did they get the WD it must have cost quite a bit to ship it from Sweden makes you wonder why one wasn't bought from BR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 30, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2016 Excellent again David What were they thinking about with those livery's? When did they get the WD it must have cost quite a bit to ship it from Sweden makes you wonder why one wasn't bought from BR I think there were two reasons for the liveries, the first being to generate publicity. I also believe that BR were not happy about the use of their livery/crest at the time. Remember when the KWVR reopened BR still had a few weeks of steam left. I know that some time ago I posted something about this on RMWeb but cannot remember where. I think that by the time anyone thought about preserving a WD 2-8-0 all the British ones had been scrapped. Also I believe the Swedish ones had been mothballed in good condition. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Excellent again David What were they thinking about with those livery's? When did they get the WD it must have cost quite a bit to ship it from Sweden makes you wonder why one wasn't bought from BR I seem to recollect that BR insisted that they could use anything approximating to a BR livery, so they came up with all sorts of garish colours; wasn't the USA Tank in Yellow Ochre? I think they may have bought the WD from SJ as all the BR examples were pretty shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The KWVR were not the only people to suffer from the BR ruling: Carnforth also had something approaching an art gallery with its Black Fives. The Bluebell was using pre-Grouping locos so had an obvious way around it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2016 The crossover continued to be used until 1975 for stock transfers to/from the Northern City Line which, post-1970, ran from Neasden via that connection to the Widened Lines. What route did the stock movements for the Northern City line take? There's plenty of photos of the battery locos and stock going through King's Cross. Yes indeed the route was over the connection to the Widened Lines at Farringdon and via Kings Cross to Finsbury Park, and then reverse to Drayton Park. This method started after September 1970 when the Highgate - Finsbury Park line closed, and continued until October 1975 when the LT trains stopped running due to the start of the GN electrification scheme. See links. https://flic.kr/p/akybjo https://flic.kr/p/9Vo1aA https://flic.kr/p/9USi8o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 30, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) A move across to the north west to look at Manchester Victoria and Lancaster. I think these are the last two of Lancaster. Lancaster Class 50 402 down 17th May 72 C963 Lancaster training wagon 17th May 72 C1388 The wording on the hopper says "HOPPER TRAINING". This photo was on the end of a film and was returned unmounted and went into a box of odds and ends to throw out. For some reason it didn't get thrown out and a year or so later I came across it and decided to keep it. That is why the number is out of sequence. The wagon may be "Hopper train No 6. Manchester Victoria Class 110 rear of Liverpool to Leeds Oct 69 C161 Manchester Victoria from forecourt of (closed) Exchange Station 4th June 76 C2746 Manchester Victoria 142008 18th March 89 C11707 Manchester Victoria map of Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway 18th March 89 C 11710 David Edited October 30, 2016 by DaveF 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Thanks for the KWVR shots David, reminds if my first visit there wi mi grandad, can't have been long after those pics were taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 A few photos from Crewe taken in early 1971 and 1972. The weather was mainly dull on both visits. Crewe Class 86 E3163 Liverpool to Euston 13th March 71 C506.jpg Crewe Class 86 E3163 Liverpool to Euston 13th March 71 C506 Going back to the Crewe photos (catching up after being away) the platform cut-out shown in C506 to provide clearance for stuff using the adjacent pointwork is of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Like the garish orange 142 in the run-down Manchester Vic - somewhere I've a photo of an orange one alongside one of the Bury EMUs - odd to think they co-existed. PS as well as putting the clocks back, is it time to put the thread title forward? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 David, Ref photo 1388; Is it possible that the large lettering asctually said ' Hopper Train No 6'? I ask, as there are other photos around showing hoppers lettered in this fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 30, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Like the garish orange 142 in the run-down Manchester Vic - somewhere I've a photo of an orange one alongside one of the Bury EMUs - odd to think they co-existed. PS as well as putting the clocks back, is it time to put the thread title forward? Thanks for reminding me about the thread title - yesterday and today have been more hectic than usual. I thought I'd have more spare time being retired. It's eleven years since I retired from my full time work (early) and three years since I stopped working part time and I am still short of time to do things. David, Ref photo 1388; Is it possible that the large lettering asctually said ' Hopper Train No 6'? I ask, as there are other photos around showing hoppers lettered in this fashion. That is quite possible. Having looked at the photo again I think you are right. David Edited October 30, 2016 by DaveF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 HOPPER TRAIN No.6 and in Gulf Red as this one, some years later http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brcatfishzev/e786cbc9 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 HOPPER TRAIN No.6 and in Gulf Red as this one, some years later http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brcatfishzev/e786cbc9 Paul I couldn't remember if it I'd seen it on your site, or in one of David Larkin's books. There were spoil trains branded in similar fashion, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hi, Dave. I like the K&WVR photos. They, maybe, could have chosen some less garish liveries like grey instead of the bright red. The photos of Lancaster and Manchester Victoria are a great collection. The hopper wagon will have been from a complete train. And the class 110 unit looks a little grubby considering that it must have been recently repainted. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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