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[DaveF]

I made a visit to Crewe on 13th March 1971, while I was living in Manchester as a student.  Here are a few of the photos.

 

 

Crewe 304027 Crewe to Liverpool 13th March 71 C477

 

 

Crewe Class 25 7615 up empties 13th March 71 C482

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3161 down ex pass, note diesels on shed 13th March 71 C490

 

 

Crewe Class 108 Crewe to Bangor 13th March 71 C496

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3123 Euston to Manchester 13th March 71 C500

 

 

David

[franciswilliamwebb]

2 minutes ago, DaveF said:

 

Crewe Class 86 E3161 down ex pass, note diesels on shed 13th March 71 C490

 

Double-headed Parkas, nice catch!  I think I virtually lived in mine at that time.🤫

[35A]

Some fascinating stuff there, David.

 

In my ignorance, I hadn't realised that the station at New Holland Pier was actually on the pier. It being about the only (active - to a degree) branch on the East Coast that I still haven't travelled on, I had assumed that the station was at the land end of the pier.

 

The Crewe shots bring back many memories. My first visit was three months after that set were taken. A schoolfriend and I stayed at his aunt's (or gran's - I forget), in Wolverhampton, for a few days, and we spent a day in Manchester, a day in Crewe and a third day here and there. It's funny, I don't remember the class 50s looking as filthy as they appear in C490 (although all of the class 24s that we saw around Crewe and Stoke were absolutely black, it was difficult to tell whether they were blue or still green). One of the highlights of the day at Crewe, apart from the 27 Class 50s that we saw, was Class 74 electro-diesel E6105, humming southwards after a visit to the works.

[DaveF]

3 hours ago, 35A said:

Some fascinating stuff there, David.

 

In my ignorance, I hadn't realised that the station at New Holland Pier was actually on the pier. It being about the only (active - to a degree) branch on the East Coast that I still haven't travelled on, I had assumed that the station was at the land end of the pier.

 

The Crewe shots bring back many memories. My first visit was three months after that set were taken. A schoolfriend and I stayed at his aunt's (or gran's - I forget), in Wolverhampton, for a few days, and we spent a day in Manchester, a day in Crewe and a third day here and there. It's funny, I don't remember the class 50s looking as filthy as they appear in C490 (although all of the class 24s that we saw around Crewe and Stoke were absolutely black, it was difficult to tell whether they were blue or still green). One of the highlights of the day at Crewe, apart from the 27 Class 50s that we saw, was Class 74 electro-diesel E6105, humming southwards after a visit to the works.

 

 

There is also a station at the land end of the pier, New Holland Town.  The line beyond it onto the pier and pier station is now long gone.

 

David

Edited February 7, 2023 by DaveF

[keefer]

The pictures of Crewe, particularly C500 - strange that such a major station/interchange on the WCML still retains so much of the old British Railways era signage, 6 years after the introduction of the Corporate Image. The electrification was supposed to be the cutting-edge of the new Image, complete with the new Mk2 coaches in blue/grey.

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a superb set of photo’s of Barkston and Newark, on the ECML in 1968. The first photo’ at Barkston, with a class 114, Derby Heavyweight unit, on a Skegness to Grantham service, in September, 1968, shows that the unit was carrying two versions of the corporate blue livery. The DTCL, the leading car, has a small yellow panel, the arrows of indecision are on the cab doors, and there is no yellow stripe above the first class windows. The DMBS has the later full yellow cab ends, and those arrows are under the first big passenger window behind the cab. I feel it is a hybrid unit with one car painted later than the other one.

The last photo’ is a beautifully composed shot, at Newark, of class 40, D206, on a Leeds to Kings Cross express of Mkl stock, in April, 1968.

 

The photo’s of New Holland Pier are fascinating, so nostalgic, and bring back many memories. Thank you for posting them, David. My late Mum recounted, how, in the early 1950’s when she frequently visited a friend who lived in Barton on Humber, that the ferry would often get stuck on a sandbank, just as you’ve said yourself. But she never got seasick, and enjoyed being on the ferry. 

The first photo’ of PS Lincoln Castle, in August, 1977, is truly superb, and Mum would have enjoyed seeing it. I certainly do. 

I like the family portrait of you and your Mum in the last photo’, by the ramp down to the ferry, in March, 1978. 

The photo’s of Crewe, from the 13th March, 1971, are an excellent selection. In C482, with class 25, 7615, on an up train of empties, it is clear that diesel and electric traction taking over from steam had been the only big change at Crewe. Just look at the wonky running in nameboard to the right.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[brushman47544]

12 hours ago, DaveF said:

The ECML again this morning at Barkston and Newark almost 55 years ago in 1968.

 

 

Barkston Class 114 Skegness to Grantham Sept 68 J1407

 

 

Barkston Class 114 Grantham to Mablethorpe Sept 68 J1418

 

David

 

Unless I’m very much mistaken, that’s the same DMU in those photos J1407 and J1418. The livery and weathering look identical.

 

I’ve not included the photo above, but I was interested to see that the Halifax to Kings Cross train had the headcode 1E59. I always assumed Halifax was an Eastern Region station but it can’t have been for an inter regional headcode.

[DaveF]

19 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:

Unless I’m very much mistaken, that’s the same DMU in those photos J1407 and J1418. The livery and weathering look identical.

 

I’ve not included the photo above, but I was interested to see that the Halifax to Kings Cross train had the headcode 1E59. I always assumed Halifax was an Eastern Region station but it can’t have been for an inter regional headcode.

 

The headcodes at the time were interesting.

1A07 was the 08.55 Hull to Kings X

1E87 was the 17.40 Hull to Kings X

E was used for all the Leeds, Halifax and Bradford trains in both directions.

1E95 was the 23.32 Edinburgh to Peterborough working.

 The details are from the Napier Chronicles website, they make for interesting reading.  It contains the main train details from 1960 to 1981 for the ECML. - headcodes, departure times and destinations.

 

http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/  (it may produce a warning of not being secure, I've not had problems).

 

David

[brushman47544]

13 minutes ago, DaveF said:

 

The headcodes at the time were interesting.

1A07 was the 08.55 Hull to Kings X

1E87 was the 17.40 Hull to Kings X

E was used for all the Leeds, Halifax and Bradford trains in both directions.

1E95 was the 23.32 Edinburgh to Peterborough working.

 The details are from the Napier Chronicles website, they make for interesting reading.  It contains the main train details from 1960 to 1981 for the ECML. - headcodes, departure times and destinations.

 

http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/  (it may produce a warning of not being secure, I've not had problems).

 

David

Interesting. I’m going by the 1970s and what I remember is all up trains to Kings Cross were 1Axx and down trains to Leeds and Bradford were 1Lxx. 1Exx were interregional to the ER, which would fit your Edinburgh (ScR) to Peterborough (ER) train.

[35A]

42 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:

I’ve not included the photo above, but I was interested to see that the Halifax to Kings Cross train had the headcode 1E59. I always assumed Halifax was an Eastern Region station but it can’t have been for an inter regional headcode.

 

It's interesting how the use of headcodes evolved, through the Sixties and into the Seventies. I've recently been revisiting a lot of my archived notes (which I've held on Excel spreadsheets for the last 20 years, for convenience) and updating some of the headcode information. Some of them seem totally illogical.

From what I remember, being an East Coast lad, in the Sixties they tended to be applied by line of route with odd numbers for up trains and evens for down trains. "The Flying Scotsman" (for example) being 1A16 down and 1A35 up. By 1969 this had been changed to a divisional system, in the familiar ascending sequence. Services up to London were xAxx, to King's Cross Division (generally) were xBxx,  down to Doncaster Division were xDxx, Hull trains were xHxx, West Yorkshire were xLxx, Newcastle Division were xNxx etc., plus the nationally accepted inter-regional codes. Gradually, these changed further. Hull was absorbed into xLxx and later (1980s IIRC) all of the xLxx codes became xDxx. Inter-regional specials were xZxx and Eastern Region internals xGxx - on the WCML, of course, xGxx was West Midlands, so they seemed to use xTxx for their internal specials, as far as I can make out. Then you've got the Scottish Region using xOxx (the inter-regional code for the Southern Region) for E&G trains and xAxx for Aberdeens. All a bit of a minefield!!!

 

E&OE 😁

 

[JeffP]

Despite having lived all my life in Lincolnshire, first in Cleethorpes, now in Scunthorpe, I've only ever visited New Holland once, on a junior school trip that visited Wilberforce house, Bridlington and Flamborough Head, crossing the Humber via the Ferry.

I remember there was a B1 in the pier station.

[DaveF]

Peterborough and Grantham to start with today.

 

 

Peterborough 2 Class 25  blue green  27th July 1974 C1729    summer Saturdays Great Yarmouth to Walsall

Peterborough Class 55 down ex pass 10th August 77 C3448      55020

 

 

 Grantham Class 254 down Flying Scotsman and Class 114 Grantham to Skegness June 80 J6971

 

 

Grantham Class 114 Grantham to Derby July 80  J7025

 

 

Grantham Class 31 up ballast May 82 C5658

 

 

David

Edited February 12, 2023 by DaveF

[The Pilotman]

Today’s Deltic (C3448) is, based on the lack of paint above the windows, 55020 NIMBUS.

[woodenhead]

19 hours ago, DaveF said:

Crewe Class 86 E3161 down ex pass, note diesels on shed 13th March 71 C490

 

 

I can just remember in my minds eye that three way siding and the bufferstop/seat.

 

Was it used for motive power swaps or to attach/remove parcels vehicles from trains?

[Rugd1022]

19 hours ago, keefer said:

The pictures of Crewe, particularly C500 - strange that such a major station/interchange on the WCML still retains so much of the old British Railways era signage, 6 years after the introduction of the Corporate Image. The electrification was supposed to be the cutting-edge of the new Image, complete with the new Mk2 coaches in blue/grey.

 

I was going to comment on the signage too Keefer - you'd have thought that the new white and black corporate signs would have replaced the old maroon enamel ones much earlier, just as they did at Rugby Midland in 1967. I'm pretty sure the large maroon running in boards at Crewe were still in situ well into 1973. Rumour has it that all of the old maroon items at Rugby were stashed in the vast cellars beneath the station for a few years, then secreted away piece by piece by a couple of drivers who were brothers, bearing in mind that any Rugby Midland items rarely if ever come up for auction I can well believe that all or most of the haul is still in their family's possession. The two brothers are still around and I've asked them about it on occasion, an inquiry which is usually met with a sharp intake of breath then a pregnant pause before one of them changes the subject! A good mate at work now owns the four piece 28ft long station nameboard from Rugby Central which he's promised me first dibs on when he decides to part with it...

 

 

[DaveF]

The next set of photos are once again from the London Tilbury and Southend at West Horndon and Laindon which are on the direct route to Southend, not via Tilbury.  There are meant to be only 4 photos in this batch.

 

 

West Horndon Industrial Hudswell 0-4-0SM shunter 12th April 75 C1952

With many thanks to Michael Edge for the identification'

 

 

West Horndon 302283 down pass Feb 76 C2636

 

 

West Horndon 308315 up pass May 79 C4552

 

 

Laindon 47120 with Shark 12March78 C3716

 

 

David

Edited February 8, 2023 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Some photos from the Settle and Carlisle now, the viaduct at Long Marton and a few at Aisgill.  Long Marton viaduct is between Langwathby and Appleby and has 5 arches which are 60 feet high.  The viaduct is 180 yards long.

 

I quite often took photos from the road bridge seen in the second photo - in fact the last photo is taken from the bridge.  One hot summer's day I was standing there waiting for something to happen when I heard something walking along coming towards the bridge.  I looked round and saw a large bull ambling quietly along the road.  He took no notice of me and continued on his way.  I can only think he must have got out of his field and thought it was a nice day to go for a walk.

 

 

Long Marton viaduct August 77 J5758

 

 

Aisgill Class 31 5820 up pw Aug 73 C1376

 

 

Aisgill Class 50 428 down parcels Aug 73 J3353

 

 

Aisgill view south Aug 73 C1377

 

 

Aisgill Class 25 25070 up limestone Aug 77 J5784

 

 

David

Edited February 8, 2023 by DaveF

[Michael Edge]

The loco in C1952 is a Hudswell 0-4-0M.

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a fascinating set of photo’s of Peterborough and Grantham, and in the first photo’ of two class 25’s, both unidentified, with the leading one in blue livery and the other still in green, on a Norwich to Birmingham service, on the 27th July, 1974, it is a delightful portrait shot of that leading 25, with, in the headcode box, just behind the M the small lightbulb is just visible. I can hear the rasping from the exhaust pipes as the class 114 departs from Grantham in J7025, on a service to Derby, in July, 1980.

 

The London Tilbury and Southend photo’s at West Horndon and Laindon, are a superb selection, with C455, at West Horndon, with 308315, on an up passenger service, in May, 1979, it can be seen that the EMU had recently been repainted, and the dark brown underframe and bogies are clearly visible. 
 

The Settle and Carlisle photo’s of the viaduct at Long Marton and Aisgill, are a delightful set, with J3353, at Aisgill, with a class 50, 428, on a down parcels train, in August, 1973, being a most excellent composition bringing back plenty of happy memories. 
 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[DaveF]

28 minutes ago, Michael Edge said:

The loco in C1952 is a Hudswell 0-4-0M.

 

 

Michael,

Many thanks.  I've amended the caption.

David

[sir douglas]

HC D610 of 1938 belonging to Brown & Tawse Ltd.

 

according to http://www.industrialgwent.co.uk/wuk21-se/index.htm

[DaveF]

Some Warships today.  I am not sure the loco numbers are all correct.

 

 

Saltash Bridge (Devon) Class 42 up goods Aug 60 J017

 

 

Pirbright Junction Class 42 808 Centaur 1Z20 07.35 Honiton to Waterloo Sat 17th April 71 J2595

 

 

Pirbright Junction Class 42 832 Onslaught down freight Hither Green to Severn Tunnel Sat 17th April 71 J2596

 

 

 Pirbright Junction Class 42 1V11 11.08 Waterloo to Exeter Sat 17th April 71  J2607

 

 

Pirbright Junction Class 42 probably 813 Diadem 1O08 08.50 Exeter to Waterloo Sat 17th April 71 J2608

 

 

David

 

 

[LongRail]

Dave must say given the age of the photos and the time taken the quality and clarity of the image is fantastic must have used a better than average camera 

[DaveF]

1 hour ago, LongRail said:

Dave must say given the age of the photos and the time taken the quality and clarity of the image is fantastic must have used a better than average camera 

 

Thanks very much for the comment.  They are Dad's photos, the one at Saltash was taken on Ilford slide fim (Ilfochrome, either 25 or 50 ASA (ISO) with a Retina 1a camera - reasonable quality for the time.  The ones at Pirbright Junction were taken with a Miranda Sensomat slr on Agfa 50ASA (ISO50) slide film.

 

Dad always kept his slides in slide boxes or projector magazines which kept out the light so there wasn't much fading.  Then  I scanned them about 20 years with a Minolta slide scanner at a reasonable resolution.

 

I am always surprised how well they display on a monitor or TV.

 

David

 

[DaveF]

Next up are four photos at level crossings on the ECML.  Normanton Lane is near Dukeries Junction.  The other, Crow Park, is near Sutton on Trent.

 

 

Normanton Lane LC, near Dukeries junc 25099 and Class 47 Kings X to Leeds Aug 77 J5807

 

 

Normanton Lane rossing near Dukeries Junction 55015 Tulyar Aberdeen to Kings X Aug 77 J5808

 

 

Crow Park Class 31 D5557 down iron ore April 69 J1618

 

 

Crow Park 55002 The Kings Own YorkshireLight Infantry Kings X to Newcastle Aug 77 J5809

 

 

David