Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Excellent photo's of Carlisle. Always a very interesting place from the railway perspective. There are several begrimed locos to be seen. I especially like 47229 in the first photo.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Fat Controller]

Smashing as always Dave

 

Was that unfitted brake van in C5114 still in traffic in 1980?

 

Cheers

 

Phil

There were still unfitted freights around Blyth then, both coal trains and the alumina workings from Blyth to Lynemouth. Whilst the coal workings went over to air-braked stock around the time of the miners' strike, the alumina trains remained unfitted for about another decade. Most of the bauxite-painted vans were unfitted as well. Edited April 6, 2016 by Fat Controller

[Swindon 123]

Smashing as always Dave

 

Was that unfitted brake van in C5114 still in traffic in 1980?

 

Cheers

 

Phil

The last photo I have of an unfitted brake van in is late 1988. I can remember working unfitted trains with brake vans mainly engineers, until 1987 myself. Technically no Brake van was unfitted if it was at the tail end of a train as it would have a guard in who could apply the brake. By the late 1980's most brake vans I saw and photographed where piped, I saw very few fitted ones, and only have two photos of vac fitted brake vans. The real crunch for unfitted or pipe brake vans was the abolition of Class 9 trains.

 

Paul J.

[keefer]

in C8353  the mk1 FK in the left background seems to have a lot of writing on it.

Now the mk1s didn't generally have even 'Inter-City' on them, so i'm wondering if it's a Motorail rake and the lettering says 'Inter-City Motorail' - these had FKs with a reserved compartment for each carload.

Was this a usual branding for those rakes? And i suppose that even if they were used for some other service, the Motorail rakes would be kept together?

 

Nice detail shot of the 08 too.

Edited April 6, 2016 by keefer

[DaveF]

in C8353  the mk1 FK in the left background seems to have a lot of writing on it.

Now the mk1s didn't generally have even 'Inter-City' on them, so i'm wondering if it's a Motorail rake and the lettering says 'Inter-City Motorail' - these had FKs with a reserved compartment for each carload.

Was this a usual branding for those rakes? And i suppose that even if they were used for some other service, the Motorail rakes would be kept together?

 

Nice detail shot of the 08 too.

 

 

It could be.  The Inter City liveried coach in front of it has "InterCity" on it, as seen in the photo below which shows the same train after the 31 had coupled up to it.  The diversions that day were because of damage to the overhead somewhere to the south of Carlisle.

 

Of course it does help in having all my other photos handy when trying to answer the questions.

 

 

Carlisle 31162 relief Glasgow to Euston diverted via S&C 21st April 87 C8354

 

David

[LNERGE]

I suspect it is an Inter-City Motorail branding.

[Market65]

There are three words visible. Each one is the right length for the respective words. It is almost certainly Inter-City Motorail. I cannot think what else it could be.

 

With best regards,

 

Rob.

[hmrspaul]

The last photo I have of an unfitted brake van in is late 1988. I can remember working unfitted trains with brake vans mainly engineers, until 1987 myself. Technically no Brake van was unfitted if it was at the tail end of a train as it would have a guard in who could apply the brake. By the late 1980's most brake vans I saw and photographed where piped, I saw very few fitted ones, and only have two photos of vac fitted brake vans. The real crunch for unfitted or pipe brake vans was the abolition of Class 9 trains.

 

Paul J.

I have a couple or so on my site in 1991 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakediag507/e2a7d245c with a fair number in 1989 and 1990. CARs continued in use for a lot longer.

 

Paul

[keefer]

It could be.  The Inter City liveried coach in front of it has "InterCity" on it, as seen in the photo below which shows the same train after the 31 had coupled up to it.  The diversions that day were because of damage to the overhead somewhere to the south of Carlisle.

 

Carlisle 31162 relief Glasgow to Euston diverted via S&C 21st April 87 C8354

 

David

Thanks for that Dave. I suppose if they needed coaches at short notice for reliefs due to problems, they might just need to use whatever they could get hold of.

[DaveF]

It could be.  The Inter City liveried coach in front of it has "InterCity" on it, as seen in the photo below which shows the same train after the 31 had coupled up to it.  The diversions that day were because of damage to the overhead somewhere to the south of Carlisle.

 

Of course it does help in having all my other photos handy when trying to answer the questions.

 

 

Carlisle 31162 relief Glasgow to Euston diverted via S&C 21st April 87 C8354.jpg

Carlisle 31162 relief Glasgow to Euston diverted via S&C 21st April 87 C8354

 

David

 

 

Thanks for that Dave. I suppose if they needed coaches at short notice for reliefs due to problems, they might just need to use whatever they could get hold of.

 

 

I should have added that the WCML timetable that day was certainly not working as it should have done.  Every train was being announced as a "relief" which may well explain the stock being used.  Down trains were so late that it would have been impossible for the stock to be have used for the planned return workings to London.

 

 

David

[Enterprisingwestern]

The last photo I have of an unfitted brake van in is late 1988. I can remember working unfitted trains with brake vans mainly engineers, until 1987 myself. Technically no Brake van was unfitted if it was at the tail end of a train as it would have a guard in who could apply the brake. By the late 1980's most brake vans I saw and photographed where piped, I saw very few fitted ones, and only have two photos of vac fitted brake vans. The real crunch for unfitted or pipe brake vans was the abolition of Class 9 trains.

 

Paul J.

Do Pendelinos need brake vans, aren't they class 9?

Must be interesting ride for the guard!

 

Mike.

[Swindon 123]

Do Pendelinos need brake vans, aren't they class 9?

Must be interesting ride for the guard!

 

Mike.

Technically it's not a brake van its a passenger coach and he has an "office" nowadays. He should have to put up with the same ride as the paying punters anyway.

 

Paul J.

[DaveF]

Some photos taken in Blyth for today.

 

 

Blyth Bates coal terminal and Blyth west staithes 1st Jan 93 C18351    Blyth A and B power stations are to the left of the staithes.

 

 

Blyth Bates branch 56063 empties leaving Bates 28th Dec 94 C19941

 

 

Blyth Bates branch 56127 export coal 8th April 91 C15771  The train will be unloaded into a ship at Bates terminal which was on the site of Bates pit.

 

 

Blyth Bates branch Jan 83 C5909  An NCB loco in the distance.  The cutting is now mainly filled in and houses are being built on it.

 

 

Newsham Road crossing 37199 6th April 85 C6772 The last day, the remaining wagons are being removed.  The barriers were already out of action.

 

 

David

Edited April 7, 2016 by DaveF

[russ p]

That first shot is absolutely stunning Dave, is that the get carter staithes opposite?

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Great photos of Blyth. It is a shame the the cutting on the former branch line is being built on. That seems to happen far too often.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[avonside1563]

Hi Dave, C339 and C340 do not show an Austerity, this is one of the forerunners, an 18" 50550 class but I cannot remember which one off hand.

[Phil Bullock]

C15771 Just look at that curve! Second radius I should think....

 

Phil

[Market65]

I don't think I have seen a curve on a British railway as sharp as that before. It is quite an eye-opener!

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

That first shot is absolutely stunning Dave, is that the get carter staithes opposite?

 

 

 

I believe that is correct.

 

 

C15771 Just look at that curve! Second radius I should think....

 

Phil

 

 

I don't think I have seen a curve on a British railway as sharp as that before. It is quite an eye-opener!

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

 

 

It was very sharp indeed.  C19941 shows a way of hiding the exit to a fiddle yard - but no one would believe it.

 

David 

[DaveF]

We'll stay in the north east today to have a few photos from Morpeth on the ECML

 

 

Morpeth 37005 July 80 J7060  Going across thr road crossing from the down ECML tot he Blyth and Tyne.

 

 

Morpeth Class 37 up coal onto Blyth and Tyne Aug 80 C5187

 

 

Morpeth Class 37 Jan 84 C6379  In the old goods yard

 

 

Morpeth tracklayer and coach 25th June 84 C6566  The ECML is behind the signal box which is  on the left of the photo.

 

 

Morpeth 37096 and 37115 26th April 86 C7518  In the Blyth and Tyne loops.  On the left is a Class 101 on a railtour, hence the ladders to get on and off the train.

 

 

David

[andy stroud]

Lovely pictures of the class 37s and unfitted 21 tonners.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A great selection of photos of Morpeth today. The gates were also used at other locations, including Walton Street LC in Hull.

Some good photos of 37's are amongst those you have posted, especially C5187, and would be good framed and hung on a wall.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[russ p]

I love boom gates for some reason, the only location I know of them outside the former NE region was Parkeston.

The redmire branch had a few handwoked sets

[Richard_A]

c5187 is a really good photo I've been musing over buying some parkside kits for those hoppers and it's made my mind up for me.

[Phil Bullock]

Ah go on! you wont regret it...

 

Theres some good stuff on this thread

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/94955-hornbys-new-21-ton-hopper/page-2

 

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