50A55B Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 That unit is a 310, having magnified the photo, owing to the fact that it has B4 and B5 bogies, a sharp tumblehome, different roof vents to a 304, and as mentioned, no first class on the trailer car. Best regards, Rob. I seem to recall that a small batch of 312s were allocated to the LM for use in the W Midlands as well, could it be one of these? This could account for the blue grey livery too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2017 I seem to recall that a small batch of 312s were allocated to the LM for use in the W Midlands as well, could it be one of these? This could account for the blue grey livery too. 312 201-4 which IIRC were usually found on the Walsall services via Bescot. 310s were only just being repainted into blue/grey at that time. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 312203 by the look of it, the other three were still in all over blue. https://flic.kr/p/dHtSsn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2017 There were a lot of extra trains, I think some 304s were brought in from the north west. David They also used 304s on extras after pop/rock concerts at the NEC Arena. I rode a 304 back to Manchester after watching AC/DC. Nice bouncy seats, but couldn't hear the sounds of the 304 as my ears where still recovering from being in row 10. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2017 I recall a poorly-maintained such wagon en route to Mossend Yard causing multiple track circuit failures on the Down WCML as salt leaked out of the vehicle ! C4254: I remember that month and its wintry weather, the memory and the picture still make me shiver ! Great photos Dave, thanks once again for posting. They later sent the Winsford salt trains north via the S&C as track circuit failures caused by leaking salt solution created less disruption. It was always worse on a rainy day. The local CCTV controlled level crossing used to get TC failures when they gritted the road crossing it. I don't know what it's like now though. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2017 i have a BR driver's booklet somewhere describing the 304s and 310s - despite their very different looks, they were technically similar and as far as i can make out, interchangeable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 13, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2017 A visit to Teesside today. Middlesborough NER Albert Bridge April 84_C6493 Middlesborough Class 101 Darlington to Saltburn 12th Feb 85_C6709 Cargo Fleet Class 101 Bishop Auckland to Saltburn 31st July 86_C7756 Middlesborough NER wall tile map 2nd Aug 86_C7820 South Bank 47377 up le 12th May 90_C14443 David 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hi, Dave. I like the Teesside photos. In the one of the NER tile map, in C7820, you can make out the line that never was from Beverley to Beeford via North Frodingham. In the last photo, there is a good view of 47377. It would make a great weathering project. And a question about the height of the bridge in the first photo. I wonder if, at that time, the bridge was too low for a double deck bus? With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Those NER maps are a marvel. I smile every time I see one in the "flesh" or in a photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Hi Dave Nice set of pictures as usual. I think the Albert Bridge C6493 looks better then than it does in this wishy-washy paint job: https://goo.gl/maps/incAiMjg8UR2 Rob: According to the road sign (see Google street view above) it is currently 4.00m or 13' 3" The massiveness of the bridge does make it look much lower though. Cheers Keith Edited January 13, 2017 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Many a bus has hit Albert bridge over the years Excellent photos there David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hi Dave Nice set of pictures as usual. I think the Albert Bridge C6493 looks better then than it does in this wishy-washy paint job: https://goo.gl/maps/incAiMjg8UR2 Rob: According to the road sign (see Google street view above) it is currently 4.00m or 13' 3" The massiveness of the bridge does make it look much lower though. Cheers Keith I seem to recall when I was a kid it was dark grey with ferrodo advertising on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Cleveland Transit buses had black steering wheels if they wouldn't go under that bridge, white if they would. A very simple system which has, of course, been done away with with the inevitable consequences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2017 Cleveland Transit buses had black steering wheels if they wouldn't go under that bridge, white if they would. A very simple system which has, of course, been done away with with the inevitable consequences. I don't think any of the standard DD buses would clear that bridge. e.g. The Enviro 400MMC starts at around 14' 3" and the Wright Gemini 3 at 13' 11" Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Standard height for (traditional) d/d buses was 14'6" (highbridge) or 13'9" (lowbridge). Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Thank you everyone for answering the bus question. A Lodekka should have managed to get under that bridge. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I have a feeling the buses were also numbered 'Hnnn' or 'Lnnn' for 'High' or 'Lodekka', but the steering wheel idea was found to be the most effective way of keeping them intact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 A Lodekka is the same as a Lowbridge bus, 13'9". The Bristol buses in the Tilling group also had coloured steering wheels, denoting body width not height. Black was 7'6", white was 8'. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Thank you everyone for answering the bus question. A Lodekka should have managed to get under that bridge. Best regards, Rob. Even a Lodekka would have come to grief. It's 3" too tall" Barton's 861 would have managed it. Keith Edited January 13, 2017 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Didn't they run all sorts of extra trains for the Motor Show back then? And does anyone think the 304 might be coupled to a 310 behind it? Fairly unusual? I have seen it at Crewe https://mark5812.smugmug.com/UKpicturesclassorder/Class-310/i-4xftWWV/A back in 1989 on a footex from Liverpool to Wembley. Thought at the time it's a long way to travel on a 304 with only 1 toilet and no corridor connection. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2017 Standard height for (traditional) d/d buses was 14'6" (highbridge) or 13'9" (lowbridge). Stewart Until they decimated the area with the A66 and junctions there was another bridge at the opposite end of the station which I seem to remember was a lot taller but had a tight T junction on the opposite side but I think buses used it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 14, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 Back to the Blyth and Tyne today with photos at Winning and Freemans Crossing on the line to Cambois and North Blyth. Winning 56134 6th July 87 C8628 Winning 56129 23rd Oct 01 C25576 Freemans Crossing 37059 & ano April 81 C5316 Freemans crossing 37217 old ballast March 84 C6459 Freemans Crossing 56124 leaving power station 11th April 88 C9397 David 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Back to the Blyth and Tyne today with photos at Winning and Freemans Crossing on the line to Cambois and North Blyth. a Winning 56134 6th July 87 C8628.jpg Winning 56134 6th July 87 C8628 David Super photo. An unfitted freight and a 56! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2017 Hi, Dave. A great selection of photos of the Blyth and Tyne today. In C6459, there is a great photo of 37 217. It appears that it must have had a rough shunt at some time prior to the photo if the broken cowling is anything to go by. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2017 Hi, Dave. A great selection of photos of the Blyth and Tyne today. In C6459, there is a great photo of 37 217. It appears that it must have had a rough shunt at some time prior to the photo if the broken cowling is anything to go by. With warmest regards, Rob. Could that just be due to the rot setting in/corrosion as that was the reason for cutting them back which started in the late 70s.... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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