RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2017 I'd go with that, as well, based upon the fact that the other three candidates (9000, 9004 and 9016) all still had their crests at that time - Deltic 4 was also only released from works four days before the end of August 1971. I would challenge the Brush 4 identities in J2758 and J2759, as well. The former can't be 1532, as that loco was in the early blue livery style (with cabside numbers and double-arrows behind each cab door) by August 1968 . Similarly, the latter can't be 1575, as that loco was also in the same earlier blue livery style. Around that time it was commonly known as "the Sheffield loco", as it seemed to spend most of its time on the "Master Cutler", or spare at Sheffield Midland (although it did make very sporadic appearances on the ECML, despite being Tinsley based). Correct on the loco identities, see post 8452 onwards. There was a Tinsley diagram, spread I think over 2/3 days, which took a class 47 to Humberside and West Yorkshire, (current day nomenclature!), working a variety of freight and passenger turns, including a Kings Cross - Cleethorpes and Leeds/Bradford, ISTR a freightliner turn was part of it. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2017 Some more from the Midland line at Ratcliffe on Soar today. Ratcliffe on Soar Class 44 D1 up coal Dec 69 J2029 Ratcliffe on Soar Class 46 down Dec 69 J2030 Ratcliffe on Soar Class 20 D8063 and ano up freight Jan 70 J2042 Ratcliffe on Soar Class 47 47488 down Nov 77 C3625 Ratcliffe on Soar Class 45 down Jan 79 C4254 David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 J2042- the red-coloured load in the first three wagon is salt for road-gritting, I believe. ICI used to despatch train-loads of the stuff from Over and Wharton to councils throughout the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2017 Hi, Dave. A great set of photos of Ratcliffe on Soar. Some very moody views in the faint daylight that you have late in the year, with the electricity pylons standing like gaunt sentinels over the railway. As always it is good to see Peaks at work, and in J2042, class 20 D8063 has all yellow nose ends whilst the other has small yellow panels - a typical contrast at that time. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 J2042- the red-coloured load in the first three wagon is salt for road-gritting, I believe. ICI used to despatch train-loads of the stuff from Over and Wharton to councils throughout the UK. I recall a poorly-maintained such wagon en route to Mossend Yard causing multiple track circuit failures on the Down WCML as salt leaked out of the vehicle ! C4254: I remember that month and its wintry weather, the memory and the picture still make me shiver ! Great photos Dave, thanks once again for posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 C5444. Cor, look at them ripples! Probably Cellulite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I recall a poorly-maintained such wagon en route to Mossend Yard causing multiple track circuit failures on the Down WCML as salt leaked out of the vehicle ! ... Was that the time the 8F from Carnforth was rostered to use it's steam lance to clear the salt? Or was this a more recent re-occurrence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Back to the LT&SR at Laindon and West Horndon today. More Class 302s, as you would expect. Laindon 302 239 Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness July 77 C3382 Laindon Class 302 302254 Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness Jan 78 C3651 Laindon 302303 Shoeburyness to Fenchurch St March 80 C4966 West Horndon Class 302 Shoeburyness to Fenchurch St Sept 74 C1805 West Horndon Class 302 Shoeburyness to Fenchurch St May 76 C2705 Edited to get the correct photos displayed. David Edited January 11, 2017 by DaveF 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2017 A very apposite choice for today's photos in view of the c2c announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Maybe the new owners will upgrade food outlets on the line to offer classic Italian food now that would be an improvement would it not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2017 A very apposite choice for today's photos in view of the c2c announcement. To be honest it's pure chance - I prepared today's photos a week ago. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Maybe the new owners will upgrade food outlets on the line to offer classic Italian food now that would be an improvement would it not. You've obviously never eaten in one of the Italian-owned 'Autogrill' restaurants which seem to be ubiquitous on French stations; French friends say that even the previous concessionaires, the Compass Group (formerly Granada Catering, and UK-owned) were better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2017 Hi, Dave. Great photos of the L.T.&S.R. I wonder just how many miles the 302's must have run? I guess it must have been similar to a first generation DMU. I see in C3651, there is some work going on on the far side cutting face - stabilisation work? With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2017 I wonder just how many miles the 302's must have run? I guess it must have been similar to a first generation DMU. This picqued my interest. A fag-packet calculation comes out with a daily fleet average of around 25,000 miles for the 70 class 302s in service, the rest (17 units) in for maintenance. With a 40 year service life, 338 days per year (Sundays only half the daily fleet mileage), comes out at around 3.9m miles for each 4-car unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 To be honest it's pure chance - I prepared today's photos a week ago. David We know it isn't chance, you've been using your time machine again. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Was that the time the 8F from Carnforth was rostered to use it's steam lance to clear the salt? Or was this a more recent re-occurrence? More recent David, this was the mid to late 1980s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2017 A few photos taken at Birmingham International when I visited the Motor Show in October 1980. Birmingham International 85034 up ex pass Oct 80 C5203 Birmingham International 87028 Euston to Inverness The Clansman Oct 80 C5204 Birmingham International 86223 and a dead Class 86 up Oct 80 C5210 Birmingham International 304039 down and Class 86 up Oct 80 C5211 Birmingham International 310046 down Oct 80 C5212 David 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Didn't they run all sorts of extra trains for the Motor Show back then? And does anyone think the 304 might be coupled to a 310 behind it? Fairly unusual? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Didn't they run all sorts of extra trains for the Motor Show back then? And does anyone think the 304 might be coupled to a 310 behind it? Fairly unusual? There were a lot of extra trains, I think some 304s were brought in from the north west. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Hi, Dave. A good set of photos from Birmingham International station in October, 1980. Plenty of additional trains could be run back then since not all units and carriages that were not in everyday use had been withdrawn. Today there is no room for such workings since the railway has no additional capacity anymore. Interesting to see the 310 coupled up to the 304. You certainly can't see such sights anymore. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2017 Didn't they run all sorts of extra trains for the Motor Show back then? And does anyone think the 304 might be coupled to a 310 behind it? Fairly unusual? looks like another 304 to me, just the effect of the different livery. Have a look at the brake area... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 looks like another 304 to me, just the effect of the different livery. Have a look at the brake area... I'm not convinced - zoom right in on the bogies for one thing, and they look B4/B5 style, plus there are a number of no-door seating bays like a 310, no obvious "1"s on the doors of the middle trailer, and the bodyside looks curved at the bottom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) That unit is a 310, having magnified the photo, owing to the fact that it has B4 and B5 bogies, a sharp tumblehome, different roof vents to a 304, and as mentioned, no first class on the trailer car. Best regards, Rob. Edited January 12, 2017 by Market65 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) looks like another 304 to me, just the effect of the different livery. Have a look at the brake area... I'm not convinced - zoom right in on the bogies for one thing, and they look B4/B5 style, plus there are a number of no-door seating bays like a 310, no obvious "1"s on the doors of the middle trailer, and the bodyside looks curved at the bottom? That unit is a 310, having magnified the photo, owing to the fact that it has B4 and B5 bogies, a sharp tumblehome, different roof vents to a 304, and as mentioned, no first class on the trailer car. Best regards, Rob. I suspect they are stabled there (not coupled) pending return working to their originating station, not sure how the signalling track circuits would permit it though? Any thoughts? Edited January 12, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) I suspect they are stabled there (not coupled) pending return working to their originating station, not sure how the signalling track circuits would permit it though? Any thoughts? Both Dad and I took photos of it as we both went to the Motor show. We both have it noted as a down working, not stabled. The train is not visible in the next photo we took either! David Edited January 12, 2017 by DaveF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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