RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 I forgot to say that the sketch was done quickly on the flip flop Is that a euphemism for something that's not allowed in public? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Is that a euphemism for something that's not allowed in public? I am not like you ......it is my lap top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I like the idea of the good shed/transshipment unit being a good scenic break. The Moor Street one was high level. Underneath was an arch based goods yard. There was a big wagon lift which took wagons up and down and transversers. Either way it would make a fantastic break! Very urban and grimy! There used to be a very long youtube about the modernisation of Sheffield’s goods shed. I can only find this link: Sketch is fine! It conveys the idea well enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi Dan Last night when I came up with the name "Halham spud and green stuff yard", I did think it would be more appropriate as a smallish inner city yard where it would be mainly goods in to feed the population. Smalls and sundries are dealt with in the goods shed the other side of the backscene. Most bigger stuff would start its journey from a private siding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Definately sounds like a plan. I’ve toyed with the idea myself especially as a scenic break for minories style layouts. Perishables makes perfect sense. Market traffic, fish and fruit wagons. Many urban goods yards were raised or lower than the passenger termini so there’s prototype for those. A ghost spur off one of the lines could ‘suffice’ as entry point maybe? Definately a good idea My Stranraer build is on hold due to work and poorly child :s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Definately sounds like a plan. I’ve toyed with the idea myself especially as a scenic break for minories style layouts. Perishables makes perfect sense. Market traffic, fish and fruit wagons. Many urban goods yards were raised or lower than the passenger termini so there’s prototype for those. A ghost spur off one of the lines could ‘suffice’ as entry point maybe? Definately a good idea My Stranraer build is on hold due to work and poorly child :s Hi Dan The day will come when both are no longer worries, one you no longer have to attend and the other can attend his/herself. It just seems like that it will go on for ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 You could rip off the Moor St facility further by having it at a higher (ie road) level. Either accessed by Moor St style lifts, or Kings Cross style main line gradients - off scene either way. It could (if you so wished) cover the back of the triangle, whilst the main lines to/from the station run in retaining wall cuttings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 There used to be a very long youtube about the modernisation of Sheffield’s goods shed. I can only find this link: Sketch is fine! It conveys the idea well enough Sounds like "Freight and a City" (British Transport Films, 1966). Doesn't seem to be on YouTube though, but well worth a look if you can get hold of it. I've got it on a BFI DVD (how quaint!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Yup that’s the one! A great video about how modernisation would change everything It’s got some great goods yard shots Sounds like "Freight and a City" (British Transport Films, 1966). Doesn't seem to be on YouTube though, but well worth a look if you can get hold of it. I've got it on a BFI DVD (how quaint!). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 You could rip off the Moor St facility further by having it at a higher (ie road) level. Either accessed by Moor St style lifts, or Kings Cross style main line gradients - off scene either way. It could (if you so wished) cover the back of the triangle, whilst the main lines to/from the station run in retaining wall cuttings. Hi Zom Thanks. I will keep it simple for the effect I am after. There were many multilevel goods sheds, Halifax had a lift to take wagons upstairs. Leeds Central had hoist to lower wagons to ground level as did some of the GER and LTSR small yards in London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Sounds like "Freight and a City" (British Transport Films, 1966). Doesn't seem to be on YouTube though, but well worth a look if you can get hold of it. I've got it on a BFI DVD (how quaint!). It was is on YouTube but may have been one of the many coming up as video deleted when you search in compilation lists as I can't find it today. Revised link = Somewhere I'knew I'd seen it in colour and with sound. To find is search for Sheffields railway in the 60`s Edited January 14, 2019 by john new 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2019 Clive, A very rough sketch. Black- track Brown - road/bridges Light brown - ramp to yard level. The main roads would meet at a junction, I'm guessing the backscene will be in front of the rear track, and could consist of tall buildings. The yard tracks will also go under the right-side over bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Derek 19B Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi Clive Broad street goods just up from Exchange was reached via lifts from Nunnery goods, built by the LNWR as there access to Sheffield goods, near the LNWR engine shed. For scenery back drop how about a huge works/ factory,rail connected of course . Derek 19b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi Dan Last night when I came up with the name "Halham spud and green stuff yard", I did think it would be more appropriate as a smallish inner city yard where it would be mainly goods in to feed the population. Smalls and sundries are dealt with in the goods shed the other side of the backscene. Most bigger stuff would start its journey from a private siding. Definately sounds like a plan. I’ve toyed with the idea myself especially as a scenic break for minories style layouts. Perishables makes perfect sense. Market traffic, fish and fruit wagons. Many urban goods yards were raised or lower than the passenger termini so there’s prototype for those. A ghost spur off one of the lines could ‘suffice’ as entry point maybe? Definately a good idea My Stranraer build is on hold due to work and poorly child :s Although a tad newer than your timescale, 1966, Sheffield Parkway Wholesale Market had a rail connection when first built. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Definately, although to be fair my daughter loves helping build the layout. Much to her mothers upset she loves the SVR and operated my minories layout very carefully! Current delay caused by the baby! One day it will be built Hi Dan The day will come when both are no longer worries, one you no longer have to attend and the other can attend his/herself. It just seems like that it will go on for ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 It was is on YouTube but may have been one of the many coming up as video deleted when you search in compilation lists as I can't find it today. Revised link = Somewhere I'knew I'd seen it in colour and with sound. To find is search for Sheffields railway in the 60`s That's a different film actually, although on a similar theme and just as interesting to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 A quick note to the 16ton mineral police, there are two mainline long ones in the photos. They were donated to the layout by Matt and will be shortened and placed on 9ft chassis. I have some 9ft chassis in the "stash" of Parkside kits. *Map Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Ah, the 16ton mineral police... close cousins to the trap point police from whom I am still awaiting a visit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi gang I have been having a play with the scenic break, I have gone with the goods shed idea for the moment. Before anyone says the bridge over the L&YR lines looks naff, it does and it needs a rethink. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 14, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 Now with some trains a coming and a going. I seem to like this arrangement. I will see how I feel in a couple of weeks. Must renew that bridge. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Looks good. I think it hides it well and creates depth. There’s a guy who built a layout called Bradford Wheregate (on the web somewhere) he used mirrors at the back of the goods/parcel shed to give the shed depth. Looks good and great to see it mocked up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 That looks good Clive. I'm slightly dissapointed though that busses aren't precisely positioned above the tracks on each bridge.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It looks good. If there's space at the back, I would consider increasing the angle on the white bridge, so the access ramp starts further back and gives more turning space at the bottom, and because skew bridges look nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The other option would be to make the bridge/access point a one way. Like an entry point to the goods shed with the exit being off scene perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thanks for the comments, if anyone else has any thoughts please let me know. I forgot last night's song Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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