Coombe Barton Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The pic I posted a little earlier was also, along with a load of others, sent to Dave a couple of months back. They were all of 1442 in Tiverton Museum which I visited in 2012. Dave sent them to China. Arguably 1442 would be the least altered of the four preserved 1400s as it has not been in service since withdrawal whereas the others have seen regular use - 1420, 1450 and 1466 have all been in preservation service. Nevertheless people are arguing about stuff that's mostly hidden in the cab and wouldn't have been reproduced a few years back. If anyone has pix of 14/48xx Cab interiors in service then I'm sure Dave would very much like to see them. However as they've about as common as rocking horse manure all we have to go on is the preserved engines and the GA drawing in MRJ 1. Unless, of course, we have anyone around who drove the class in service - but the last one was withdrawn fifty years ago. I just wonder what's the point in overmuch argument on something where there is evidence obtainable and, which really can't detract from what promises to be a truly superb model. And let's just say that if it weren't for people like Dave and his commercial partners we wouldn't be able to have this argument anyway as things of this quality wouldn't be produced. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 People are talking about preserved 14XX locos as if for some obscure reason the various preservation teams have altered the position of the regulator handle. The regulator guide has to pass through the water space above the fire tubes and inner firebox to the regulator valvebox. It cannot be altered on a whim and so it is my guess that one only need look at a 14XX in preservation and Bob's yer uncle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 ....if it weren't for people like Dave and his commercial partners we wouldn't be able to have this argument anyway as things of this quality wouldn't be produced. It's enough to give anyone the vapour(s)..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 It's enough to give anyone the vapour(s)..... moteur à vapeur? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 It is my view that the CAD images were released for the following reasons a: to show what has been achieved with the design b: for comments. Looking at the Cab Interier it was glaringly obvious (without reference to prototype photographs) that the regulator handle was not right. The Driver would have to get on his hands and knees to open it! Although it may be difficult to see inside the cab of the 14xx, DJh are still proud (quite rightly so) of what they have achieved. As the regulator was in my view a glaring error, is this any different if they were to show a Deltic Console? In future I will not bother to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Very shortly the plaintive cry will be "but why did no one spot the error? The CADs were displayed for all to see". Don't be put off, Pannier Tank/David. In my book, a person with a sharp eye is worth more than a dozen "Looks gr8 m8". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Nobody seems to be willing to firm up their opinions (see Post 302), so I've had a go myself by comparing the CAD image with the cab interior shot of 1442. If it were scaled up to full size, it could not lie in the position shown. If moved up to the top of its travel or even to the horizontal, it would foul the reverser casing. Altering the height of the pivot wouldn't change that and there is a tantalizing hint at the bottom edge of the prototype photo that the right corner of the shelf has a cut-out to allow the lever to reach the lower limit of its travel. That suggests that the angle of the lever shown in the CAD is achievable on the real thing. I have therefore concluded that the lever in the CAD image is simply too long. John Edited June 28, 2015 by Dunsignalling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel newling Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Few points re the position of the 14XX regulator. The 1442 picture may be misleading as it only shows the top half of the backhead (from the tea caddy shelf up) I cannot see the auto gear linkage. Has it been removed? The regulator is open, how far down would the handle go to be shut (as I assume the CAD image is)? Edited June 28, 2015 by nigel newling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2015 Few points re the position of the 14XX regulator. The 1442 picture may be misleading as it only shows the top half of the backhead (from the tea caddy shelf up) I cannot see the auto gear linkage. Has it been removed? The regulator is open, how far down would the handle go to be shut (as I assume the CAD image is)? Looking at the position of the pin in the quadrant above it, I assumed it to be half open; or am I misinterpreting how the handle moves? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel newling Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Looking at the position of the pin in the quadrant above it, I assumed it to be half open; or am I misinterpreting how the handle moves? John Agreed - lazy composition on my part - I only meant "Open" as opposed to "Shut" :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Some people are just never satisfied When one is in pursuit of fidelity to the original, surely that is a good thing? ROB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) It's enough to give anyone the vapour(s)..... Everyone is "turning Japanese" on this model. http://youtu.be/IP9-_836quo Edited June 29, 2015 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Flippin heck that looks good Dave, I'm going to have to have one now! 5801 pre ordered. Edited July 27, 2015 by Quarryscapes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2015 Any Southern modellers looking for an excuse to buy one might like this photo of 1442 taken on the Seaton branch. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Everyone is "turning Japanese" on this model. http://youtu.be/IP9-_836quo ....OT, and amusingly, The Vapors' lead singer is nowadays a.....Solicitor!! Edited July 28, 2015 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Any Southern modellers looking for an excuse to buy one might like this photo of 1442 taken on the Seaton branch. image-1.jpeg Lovely, the short-term return to steam in 1965 due to shortage of DMUs. I rode it several times while I had the chance. I have 1450 (the other participant) on order already. Mind you, that bit of the Southern was part of the Western Region by then............ John Edited July 29, 2015 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted August 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2015 What is the latest on expected delivery date for the model? About to make a pre-order and need to know (roughly) when the money is coming out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 I know it's hoped that delivery can still be before the end of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 With EPs and decorated examples still to do, I would put mid 2016 as the earliest realistic date. That did not stop me ordering a 58XX in a rather beautiful gil sans British Railways black livery today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Gonna have to snag me a sound fitted one and the three upcoming auto trailers from Bachmann, I'm extra tempted by this due to the 14xx being a high favorite of mine in terms of GWR tank engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 He doesn't want a High Level one. I would really like to put one of these on a High Level chassis (if my current quest for a Perseverance kit doesn't work), but it's a lot to pay nearly £100 for one of these, 40-odd for the chassis plus motor, wheels etc., as Hattons say they don't plan to sell the body shells separately. Maybe eventually one could sell the DJ chassis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2015 Or maybe you could come to an arrangement with somebody who wants the RTR chassis but not the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I would really like to put one of these on a High Level chassis (if my current quest for a Perseverance kit doesn't work), but it's a lot to pay nearly £100 for one of these, 40-odd for the chassis plus motor, wheels etc., as Hattons say they don't plan to sell the body shells separately. Maybe eventually one could sell the DJ chassis? Given that DJM's policy is to make all spares available (see their website for the Beattie Well Tank spares sheet), you might yet be able to buy body components. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Given that DJM's policy is to make all spares available (see their website for the Beattie Well Tank spares sheet), you might yet be able to buy body components. I did ask DJ, but they said it's up to Hatton's and I had to ask them. Maybe that will change at some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Just had e-mail notification for my pre-order.Telling me the models i ordered will be available Between Jan-March 2016. Me too! H1401, 'Great Western' 4825, Southall shed. Dad will like that, him being a Southall lad, and Southall footbridge 'copper' (that's from before the term 'train spotting' was coined...). He would have seen it many times before the war. Sadly his eyesight's failing now (AMD), so he won't be able to fully appreciate it, more's the pity.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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