RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2017 This post from earlier in the thread should answer that question for you The Johnster. Thank you, Hilux. If it was indeed a local name from Oxford it is fitting that the new loco at Didcot continues it. I am glad that it is a 'proper' name for the locos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted June 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2017 Apparently, there was a proposal to give the 47xx class the names of broad gauge engines that was turned down by Viscount Churchill, chairman of the GET. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 7007GreatWestern Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Collett suggested naming the 47xxs in 1927 and was supported in this by the GWR's General Manager Sir Felix Pole. You are quite right in saying that it was Viscount Churchill who turned it down. Additionally, Collett requested that they be fitted with side windows to the cabs but this was declined on cost grounds. Collett would be keenly aware of the importance of the 47s to the GWR - there were just nine locos and one spare boiler to cover the bulk of the company's fast overnight "fitted" freight work. These trains routinely weighed in at over 700 tons and were of such importance that Collett was briefed daily about the running of these lucrative trains. The 47s truly were "unsung heroes" of the GWR. Their importance was well know within the company but seems to be little understood by the enthusiast fraternity. Source for the above is "Great Western Eight Coupled Heavy Freight Locomotives" by David Maidment. Highly recommended. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2017 And later on in their careers,they played a valuable role in express passenger work to the West of England even on occasion hauling "The Royal Duchy" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26, 2017 They were ahead of their time in some ways, a large boiler with a good reserve of steam on an engine able to pull heavy trains and still run fast despite having smaller driving wheels that were though necessary for such work sounds like a summary of a Riddles 9F to me! They were a small class because 9 were sufficient to run their intended express freight traffic over the routes they were restricted to, and not in any way a reflection of their potential usefulness had axle loads been less of an issue. The rest of the system had to make do with Halls, and accounts of such work suggests that they were too close to their limits for comfort; they were hard on their firemen, and while one expects a rough trip now and then if a loco is steaming badly, constant collar work is an indication that something better is wanted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Collett suggested naming the 47xxs in 1927 and was supported in this by the GWR's General Manager Sir Felix Pole. You are quite right in saying that it was Viscount Churchill who turned it down. Additionally, Collett requested that they be fitted with side windows to the cabs but this was declined on cost grounds. Collett would be keenly aware of the importance of the 47s to the GWR - there were just nine locos and one spare boiler to cover the bulk of the company's fast overnight "fitted" freight work. These trains routinely weighed in at over 700 tons and were of such importance that Collett was briefed daily about the running of these lucrative trains. The 47s truly were "unsung heroes" of the GWR. Their importance was well know within the company but seems to be little understood by the enthusiast fraternity. Source for the above is "Great Western Eight Coupled Heavy Freight Locomotives" by David Maidment. Highly recommended. Indeed, the full list of the names chosen is on page 206 of the RCTS volume 4 of 'British Standard Steam Locomotives - 9F's'. And one of the names is in use on a preserved exGW 2-8-0T. One advantage for a trainspotter at Old Oak shed was there was no shortage of 47XX, normally parked in the siding beside the main road entrance at the bottom of the hill on the south side of the huge roundhouse. Waiting for their nights work out of Paddington goods shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Hi, I just got back into railway modelling this year after a lay-off of forty-five years - and this is a first post. I had to start again from scratch. I've bought some locos from various brands - but not so far from Heljan. Has anyone done any sort of review of the Heljan 4700 yet - and if so - where can I find it....? Cheers... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Hi, I just got back into railway modelling this year after a lay-off of forty-five years - and this is a first post. I had to start again from scratch. I've bought some locos from various brands - but not so far from Heljan. Has anyone done any sort of review of the Heljan 4700 yet - and if so - where can I find it....? Cheers... :-) It hasn’t appeared yet, so there isn’t one to review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 It hasn’t appeared yet, so there isn’t one to review. Ah - that would explain it then...! I saw some mention on the web of it having come-out last year... Let's hope it's worth waiting for... Many Thanks :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 9, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2017 Ah - that would explain it then...! I saw some mention on the web of it having come-out last year... Let's hope it's worth waiting for... Many Thanks :-) It was announced last year. They have a first EP that they are working on now so a 2nd EP won't be far away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 18, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 18, 2017 Just had an email from Hattons saying the 47xx should be available Jan 18 - Mar 18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted August 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Just had an email from Hattons saying the 47xx should be available Jan 18 - Mar 18. That's a shame at least they have bothered to inform people on behalf of Heljan unlike a lot of other stores. Edited August 18, 2017 by 81C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2017 Just had an email from Hattons saying the 47xx should be available Jan 18 - Mar 18. We might see something on their stand at Warley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 20, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 Hattons says £154, though I imagine that will rise by the time the locos are released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 Hattons says £154, though I imagine that will rise by the time the locos are released. At Kernow, MRD and a few others big box shifters it seems to be at £169 so I really wouldn't be surprised if the Hattons price does end up increasing. However it did prompt me to place an order for 4707 with Hattons just in case they do end up selling at £154! Really looking forward for this one, so I hope they don't mess it up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 Really looking forward for this one, so I hope they don't mess it up.... Me too but I'm happy to wait and see before I commit to buying it. Glad to see a post war GW livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Me too but I'm happy to wait and see before I commit to buying it. Glad to see a post war GW livery. Whilst there is inherent risk in this statement,Heljan seemed to make a lot of the LNER O2s and those could be picked up cheaply if you were prepared to wait. It seems when you get simultaneous multi livery issues, there are often better deals to be had in due course David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 Whilst there is inherent risk in this statement,Heljan seemed to make a lot of the LNER O2s and those could be picked up cheaply if you were prepared to wait. It seems when you get simultaneous multi livery issues, there are often better deals to be had in due course David That fine provided the one you are after hasn't sold out when you go to buy, a sharp eye on the market is needed to get the one you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 Me too but I'm happy to wait and see before I commit to buying it. Glad to see a post war GW livery. There is good sense in that approach.The O2 had some dire initial teething problems and we are all aware of the Hattons BG saga and current "difficulties" with the L&B release.Be that as it may,Heljan have actually produced a fine model in most respects in the O2 with performance and haulage capacity second to none. There is no reason to suppose the 47XX will disappoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole @ Footplate Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 That's a shame at least they have bothered to inform people on behalf of Heljan unlike a lot of other stores. Well most don't because shops are not always given up to date information on expected release dates. I don't know how Hattons get the expected dates for all these products constantly updates, but for a smaller shop (like us) it would require us to contact each manufacturer on a probably weekly basis to get the latest info for each item. Something like that simply is not feasible for many, if not most, model railway shops. There is no magic list of all updated info that just pops through our door each week! Alex @ Footplate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 The prices have been set for a while now, so if you want to know the price, look on the various shop websites that have these for pre-order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 21, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2017 Is there any news on prices please. I replied after your previous comment about prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2017 Whilst browsing an old Bradford Barton book 'Great Western in close up', there is a shot of 4707 on shed ,with a G badge W tender. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 18, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 18, 2017 Anyone heard anything more about these locos? Over a month since the last post, longer since any development news was heard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Video has appeared from Heljan of a running sample. https://www.facebook.com/heljanas/videos/1697109857018540/ There are some pics as well, smokebox looks a bit off and the whole thing looks a bit ’rivety’ Cheers Shane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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