RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2018 The limited stop S&C services eg 0947 Leeds - Carlisle has 8 stops in 150 miutes is one stop every 18.75 minutes. That would be far more suitable for the loco hauled services. Unlike dmus, the loco hauled sets don’t have power operated doors, so fewer stops means less delays caused by passengers leaving the doors open. However there is only 1 ltd stop service each way (out of 7), so I don't see how that would free up a DMU diagram, which is the aim of the exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted January 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2018 Brrrrr - no ETH I think you will find that it is an ETH fitted loco, it also carries its old number 37424. Of course that does not mean the supply is functional but the loco should be capable of providing electric supply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I think you will find that it is an ETH fitted loco, it also carries its old number 37424. Of course that does not mean the supply is functional but the loco should be capable of providing electric supply! Doh, forgot they renumbered it according to it's namesake. Much preferred it when numbers actually meant what they did under BR, getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D854_Tiger Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 The limited stop S&C services eg 0947 Leeds - Carlisle has 8 stops in 150 miutes is one stop every 18.75 minutes. That would be far more suitable for the loco hauled services. Unlike dmus, the loco hauled sets don’t have power operated doors, so fewer stops means less delays caused by passengers leaving the doors open. Of course, going over the S&C, would have probably doubled the crank quotient and needed eight coaches to satisfy the demand. They would have been turning up from miles around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2018 Every time I’ve travelled on the Cumbrian 37s there have been a fair number of enthusiasts on board - sometimes filling the first coach. All that thrashing away from stations may not be good for the locos, but its good for our ears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2018 Of course, going over the S&C, would have probably doubled the crank quotient and needed eight coaches to satisfy the demand. They would have been turning up from miles around. And all paying their fare... From the TOC's point of view surely it's filling trains that matters, whether they're tourists, commuters, enthusiasts, shoppers, all the same to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2018 Latest news/rumour/wibble is that 37s will finish on the coast on 27th January. Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpeo Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 A Saturday. Could be busy! Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2018 A Saturday. Could be busy! Kev. I won't be there - too many neds....... Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I did it for the first time on Tuesday, and the rumours seemed to be that they would run 1 set with 2 class 68s top and tail with Kingmoor drivers, with the intention of using 2 68s on both sets by the end of May. Chatting to one Northern driver, he said he was relectant to use 68s because it only has one seat in the middle, meaning he would have to get out of his seat before depating to check doors. Another paoint raised was that DRS may not have many 68s spare when the TPE contract gets going, especially now 68s have almost completley taken over all flask duties and many departmental trains? Some pics from Tuesday - 37424 (558) and 37403 running. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2018 Looks like I might not get a chance at this then, although they've been running for long enough that I've only got myself to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2018 Yesterday’s 1004 seemed to have lots of enthusiasts in the first coach. There are reports of a landslip between Barrow and Carlisle delaying services by around 20 mins. This is likely to disrupt services a fair bit as the loco hauled sets have less than that at each end, plus the single track sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11B Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 And so it begins. Driver training today on the 68's. 68029 leading and 68003 on the rear of the 0748 Carlisle Kingmoor to Carnforth D&UGL Granted, not the best photos, but the sun did not want to play! Ian 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Wow, thanks for posting. Looking at the coach formations, is that a BSO behind the DBSO? If there were 2 normal 37 sets running around that day, is that the spare set? Edit: looks like the BSO used for guards on MOD flasks - no light blue doors https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishrail1980sand1990s/27801535489/ Edited January 8, 2018 by cal.n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Wow, thanks for posting. Looking at the coach formations, is that a BSO behind the DBSO? If there were 2 normal 37 sets running around that day, is that the spare set? Edit: looks like the BSO used for guards on MOD flasks - no light blue doors https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishrail1980sand1990s/27801535489/ Looks like 37s didn't run due to Northern strike. Going OT. It's not 9419/9428. It's one of the "newer" pair that worked as runners on the Far North line to spread the weight of the Georgemas/Dounreay trains. Looks like either 9506 or 9508 https://www.flickr.com/photos/thejamstertrains/35846448686/ From a flickr search - Mark 2F DBSO 9707, Mark 2E BSO 9506 and Mark 2F Open Standard 6001 Cheers, MIck Edited January 8, 2018 by newbryford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/Dismay-for-South-Cumbria-as-MP-says-no-train-upgrades-until-December-2019-3f0a5e5f-9071-4b36-b3fc-05671b45913e-ds Looks like we've got 37s until 2019 when the new CAF stuff arrives. Northern have also confirmed on twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D854_Tiger Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/Dismay-for-South-Cumbria-as-MP-says-no-train-upgrades-until-December-2019-3f0a5e5f-9071-4b36-b3fc-05671b45913e-ds Looks like we've got 37s until 2019 when the new CAF stuff arrives. Northern have also confirmed on twitter. Good news for us cranks and good news for those of us that believed a top and tail operation (involving brand new over powered locomotives) was just plain silly for a service like the Cumbrian Coast. Why don't they just get a grip with any reliability issues that were prevalent with the class 37s, over this line and for whatever reason, it's not like the class 37s have ever been renowned for their unreliability under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted February 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2018 Why don't they just get a grip with any reliability issues that were prevalent with the class 37s, over this line and for whatever reason, it's not like the class 37s have ever been renowned for their unreliability under any circumstances. The issues that cause delays are far wider than just problems with the 37's. For example Northern crew are unfamiliar with and don't like loco hauled operation making them prone to calling failures for marginal problems the rolling stock is also dated and prone to fail, particularly the DBSO's the cumbrian line is in need of repairs and upgrading I am sure there are other less well publicised issues. Put them all together and you end up with a problematic service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) The issues that cause delays are far wider than just problems with the 37's. For example Northern crew are unfamiliar with and don't like loco hauled operation making them prone to calling failures for marginal problems like the rolling stock is also dated and prone to fail, particularly the DBSO's the cumbrian line is in need of repairs and upgrading I am sure there are other less well publicised issues. Put them all together and you end up with a problematic service If it's broken it's broken. The last 37 failure was on Jan 24th - loco earth fault, taken out of service on Control's instructions after speaking to the DRS fitter. Since then there have been 2 DMU failures on the same route, 3 if you count the same 153 failing twice in one day. Any fault on any unit on the Cumbrian Coast is potentially a cancellation as there simply isn't stuff lying around that can be stepped up like there is elsewhere. The place isn't exactly knee deep in under-employed buses either which makes alternative transport an issue, especially on a school day. They've been operating them for two years so they're hardly unfamiliar by now. The local MP needs to vent his ire at the DfT - they specced the service. Edited February 2, 2018 by Wheatley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The issues that cause delays are far wider than just problems with the 37's. For example Northern crew are unfamiliar with and don't like loco hauled operation making them prone to calling failures for marginal problems the rolling stock is also dated and prone to fail, particularly the DBSO's the cumbrian line is in need of repairs and upgrading I am sure there are other less well publicised issues. Put them all together and you end up with a problematic service I think the main problem is lack of experience with Northern drivers, and they lack the detailed knowledge of the loco that DRS crews will have, with small issues causing a train to fail. One failure was even put down to a driver spilling tea on a DBSO. I don’t think there is any reliability problem with the DBSOs, they went through heavy overhaul before entering service. If you look at Jim’s photo thread, his regular combination of 37 and DBSO seems fine and certainty not prone to failure. Why can’t they just use DRS crews like TPE will for the 68s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 New trains are coming, it's like waiting for a new train from Bachmann, you know they are coming but it's some time off, you can't just ring up a works and order a train for tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Horse Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think the main problem is lack of experience with Northern drivers, and they lack the detailed knowledge of the loco that DRS crews will have, with small issues causing a train to fail. One failure was even put down to a driver spilling tea on a DBSO. I don’t think there is any reliability problem with the DBSOs, they went through heavy overhaul before entering service. If you look at Jim’s photo thread, his regular combination of 37 and DBSO seems fine and certainty not prone to failure. Why can’t they just use DRS crews like TPE will for the 68s? Sorry, but it is a bit off topic however, that's an interesting one......I often pop up to Gresty and end up chatting to someone just outside the gate (friendly these DRS guys).......when I last spoke to a fitter there, TPE wanted to do all the driving apart from any ECS moves, I guess then things have changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The Cumbrian coast is Northern crews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2018/03/08/class-68-coming-cumbria-thanks-northern-drs/ class 68s coming to the coast trains from Monday well one train at least Edited March 8, 2018 by Steve-e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 It seems to suggest just one loco (not T&T), no idea how that would work. Maybe I'm just readng too much into it. I wonder which diagram it will replace the 37 on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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