SRman Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I think I get the second sentence - forgive me if I'm wrong - but I think it suggests that Hornby have modelled locos in the overlap period where some were in original form and some were in rebuilt form. Yes, Hornby have done that with some of the locos.The MNs, in particular, though, had quite a lot of minor modifications that limit the period of time each model represents: things like the cabs, as mentioned, being rebuilt to the 'Vee' fronted form (except the last 10 which were built with that cab style), the front fairings in front of the cylinders being removed (early 1950s), safety valves being moved behind the dome, smoke deflector modifications, etc., and that's not even touching on the tender variations, modifications and swaps!It is quite feasible to accurately run original and rebuilt forms side by side for the MNs, as Ian Hargrave indicated, because the last in original form was not rebuilt until late 1959 (35028, Clan Line), whereas the first was done in 1956 (35018, British India Line). With the light pacifics, only 60 were rebuilt out of the 110 in service, so it is quite possible to have rebuilt and originals side by side right to the end of steam, from around 1957/8 (I can't remember, off the top of my head, when the first rebuild was done).I hope that answers the question, at least in part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted June 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2017 thank you all for clearing that up. i think i got confused by the light pacific and MN, i thought the LP was still a MN, just a cut down version. i've only just started looking at southern region stuff and steam era in particular so still still learning. thanks again 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 thank you all for clearing that up. i think i got confused by the light pacific and MN, i thought the LP was still a MN, just a cut down version. i've only just started looking at southern region stuff and steam era in particular so still still learning. thanks again The two classes do look very alike in both original and rebuilt forms. In fact Wrenn (a manufacturer in the 70s and 80s) used to stick MN names on their LPs (both forms) and sell them as such! If you ever have a model of each class, you will see that one is noticeably bigger than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted June 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2017 i am now looking at getting a non rebuilt MN, just need to sell my marine fish tank to fund my spending on model railways! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The latest issue of Hornby magazine has a full review of Holland Afrika Line. Does any retailer actually know the actual release date ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The latest issue of Hornby magazine has a full review of Holland Afrika Line. Does any retailer actually know the actual release date ? Hi, Did they anything about the chuff sound being aligned with wheel rotation or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Hi, Did they anything about the chuff sound being aligned with wheel rotation or not? I haven't read the full article as yet, but I would personally doubt it. The tts is a very generic sound system, for it's limitations and cost it is none too bad.You pays your money and takes your choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2017 I haven't read the full article as yet, but I would personally doubt it. The tts is a very generic sound system, for it's limitations and cost it is none too bad.You pays your money and takes your choice. And the next question will be......how long after delivery will it take for Rails to be selling it minus the TTS sound ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 And the next question will be......how long after delivery will it take for Rails to be selling it minus the TTS sound ? Depends on whether or not Hornby have produced the tts version in greater numbers than the previous three variant releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2017 Depends on whether or not Hornby have produced the tts version in greater numbers than the previous three variant releases. True...but remember this is the second release of this model and just maybe punters might not be quite so keen this time.Thus possibly 35023 may stick.Given Rails recent form with TTS releases,it is a possible outcome to enhance a quicker sales turnover. We shall see.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2017 I think it does no harm to reassert what a very fine model Hornby have produced here.The shape and finish on all three releases so far is IMHO exquisite.So if you missed out on 35028...,,now's your chance with 35023. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2017 The latest issue of Hornby magazine has a full review of Holland Afrika Line. Does any retailer actually know the actual release date ? Hatton's says "due into stock July 2017". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 And the next question will be......how long after delivery will it take for Rails to be selling it minus the TTS sound ? How would Hornby view the removal of the tts sound unit for warranty purposes I wonder ? Or would the onus of repairs fall back upon Rails ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2017 How would Hornby view the removal of the tts sound unit for warranty purposes I wonder ? Or would the onus of repairs fall back upon Rails ? Well it doesn't seem to have bothered Rails since they started removing TTS modules quite some time back now.The same argument or situation could apply for instance to any de chipped r-t-r model from any manufacturer....some Bachmann L&Y tanks were treated to chip removal by Kernow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Just received an email from Rails of Sheffield to say that Holland Afrika Line and the West Country class Trevone,are due for imminent release from Hornby. Edited July 20, 2017 by Black 5 Bear 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Well it doesn't seem to have bothered Rails since they started removing TTS modules quite some time back now.The same argument or situation could apply for instance to any de chipped r-t-r model from any manufacturer....some Bachmann L&Y tanks were treated to chip removal by Kernow. Ian, Seems you were right about this one, Olivia's Trains are already advertising a "TTS Removed" version for £180 before they are even in stock. Have Hornby turned on the tap with this model, producing more than the three other previously released variants I wonder ? True to form, Olivia's pricing for a TTS removed version is more than some outlets are selling the full fat version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2017 I honestly don't see how Olivias stays in business with the prices they charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 Ian, Seems you were right about this one, Olivia's Trains are already advertising a "TTS Removed" version for £180 before they are even in stock. Have Hornby turned on the tap with this model, producing more than the three other previously released variants I wonder ? True to form, Olivia's pricing for a TTS removed version is more than some outlets are selling the full fat version. I honestly don't see how Olivias stays in business with the prices they charge. You may well say that...and you are not alone...but Neil Bishop continues to buck the trend and his critics because he offers what some of his clients are prepared to donate their eye teeth for and he has lots of goodies for them.We forget he has his admirers as well as his critics and as long as they keep his tills ringing he'll cock a snook at us all....and maintain a healthy profit....however much we air our disapproval on this forum or elsewhere.He doesn't read us in any case...nor I suspect does our opinion concern him.Why should it ? You don't like it ? Walk away....and exercise you own judgement.Not for us to judge his competancy in business.Worth remembering that the magazine fraternity are happy to carry his advertisements.Like him or loath him,he's still around. Ian, Seems you were right about this one, Olivia's Trains are already advertising a "TTS Removed" version for £180 before they are even in stock. Have Hornby turned on the tap with this model, producing more than the three other previously released variants I wonder ? True to form, Olivia's pricing for a TTS removed version is more than some outlets are selling the full fat version. No surprises there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just arrived at my desk... Lovely tender detail... Now back to work for me. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just arrived at my desk... IMG_3462.JPGIMG_3463.JPGIMG_3464.JPGIMG_3465.JPG Lovely tender detail... IMG_3466.JPG Now back to work for me. I've been told the MiM escorted the delivery man 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 I've been told the MiM escorted the delivery man But for some reason they are still waiting at the front door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) But for some reason they are still waiting at the front door. Making sure you don't break it Edited July 26, 2017 by toboldlygo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paftrain Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just arrived at my desk... IMG_3462.JPGIMG_3463.JPGIMG_3464.JPGIMG_3465.JPG Lovely tender detail... IMG_3466.JPG Now back to work for me. Wow - I didn't think they were in the Country yet - I'm still waiting for mine from a well known retailer who hasn't even notified me that it has arrived in their stock. Have you had a chance to run it yet and advise on how good or bad the sound is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Wow - I didn't think they were in the Country yet - I'm still waiting for mine from a well known retailer who hasn't even notified me that it has arrived in their stock. Have you had a chance to run it yet and advise on how good or bad the sound is?Therin is the fallacy of it...I don't do DCC, so the sound chip and speaker will be leaving the tender shortly, probably to ebay. (Maybe that's what the MiM are waiting for). I want this one for the number, 35023. Should I list it now, it might be funny to see the chip and speaker on ebay before anyone's even got the model ? Edited July 26, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2017 Therin is the fallacy of it... I don't do DCC, so the sound chip and speaker will be leaving the tender shortly, probably to ebay. (Maybe that's what the MiM are waiting for). I want this one for the number, 35023. Should I list it now, it might be funny to see the chip and speaker on ebay before anyone's even got the model ? I would list it now, before the MiM introduce you to Air-Smoothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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