Bezzy Oppo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-licence-changes Absolutely bonkers! This is going to cause a shed load of grief when it comes to hiring vans for exhibitions; why is the onus is on the driver to download codes etc? Why can't DVLA issue EPOS type terminals to the hire companies and customers swipe or chip and pin? I just despair, I really do.........a nightmare for the luddites out there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Swipe or chip and pin what exactly? UK driving licences aren't smart enabled are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Nice and easy when you still have a paper one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 But for how much longer will we have a paper one????? Dave Franks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzy Oppo Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 I disagree. a couple of minutes generating a code versus however long trying to remember where the counterpart is ? No brainer. I'm thinking of those (and there are a lot) who need to hire and just don't, can't or won't use tech. If you're going abroad and wish to hire, any code generated where you can access the web only lasts 72 hours. That could take a lot more planning than carrying your paper counterpart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2015 So I'm away from home and therefore away from my 'puter and something happens which causes me to urgently need to hire a car - now what? (BTW remarkably I can actually lay hands on my paper counterpart in about 30 seconds - most of which is spent moving whatever might have landed on top of it in the drawer right next to me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Mine must have known it was about to be abolished as it turned up in one of my leather jackets yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 But for how much longer will we have a paper one????? Dave Franks When the photocard licence was introduced, I resisted getting one for about a decade, by which time my original DVLC paper licence was hanging on by a thread. Now I have the photocard licence, I also have the paper counterpart. That one is kept under lock and key, and last saw the light of day when six points were endorsed upon it for coming back from the stables a bit quickly. Very quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 When the photocard licence was introduced, I resisted getting one for about a decade, by which time my original DVLC paper licence was hanging on by a thread. Now I have the photocard licence, I also have the paper counterpart. That one is kept under lock and key, and last saw the light of day when six points were endorsed upon it for coming back from the stables a bit quickly. Very quickly. On horseback - or were you barebacking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 So I'm away from home and therefore away from my 'puter and something happens which causes me to urgently need to hire a car - now what? [/i] Use your smartphone Mike! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2015 So I'm away from home and therefore away from my 'puter and something happens which causes me to urgently need to hire a car - now what? (BTW remarkably I can actually lay hands on my paper counterpart in about 30 seconds - most of which is spent moving whatever might have landed on top of it in the drawer right next to me). As it says in the DVLA statement - "If you cannot generate a code online then you can call 0300 083 0013 and DVLA will provide you with a code." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 On horseback - or were you barebacking? No, it was the BMW. Clocked doing somewhere over the national speed limit on the M1 Southbound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2015 As it says in the DVLA statement - "If you cannot generate a code online then you can call 0300 083 0013 and DVLA will provide you with a code." I wonder if 0300 numbers work from Peru?(Other countries are available) With regard to the paper counterpart, I have heard stories of those with more than a sensible amount of points "losing" their paper counterpart before the points are applied and applying for a new conterpart and licence, whilst still using the "now found but unendorsed" counterpart to hire a car in foreign climes..... The new system will should put paid to that. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiDAS Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Personally I have never been asked for the counterpart when hiring a vehicle abroad, they only wanted the card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Personally I have never been asked for the counterpart when hiring a vehicle abroad, they only wanted the card. It's been a while since I've been asked for the counterpart as well. I've hired four cars abroad so far this year, and not one has asked to see the paper part. I don't recall it being checked last year in half a dozen trips either. I was asked for it once at Glasgow airport last year when picking up a car, but she took a quick glance, saw it was in date and had no endorsements, and handed it straight back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I often smile when I read about the "accountants" that stifle business by their nefarious tactics intended to save a fraction of a penny here and there - always to the detriment of the poor engineer who has striven mightily to inflict his latest idea on an unsuspecting customer ("design clever" anyone?) but the real demons are the management consultants who come up with ill-thought through schemes such as this one . . . Stan PS I am not an accountant or an engineer but I've done battle with both species. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Nice and easy when you still have a paper one. Not for me it wasn't. I went to hire a van locally, and they would not accept my paper driving licence because it had no photo ID. I had nothing with photo ID on me. They told me I had to go home and get my passport, which I duly did. Not a big problem, but I can do without the hassle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-licence-changes Absolutely bonkers! ... I think the really bonkers situation is to have a photocard and a paper counterpart. It has always smacked to me of a failure to grapple with the real issue, producing a compromise that may have sounded sensible in a brainstorming meeting but was actually the worst of all worlds. It's a bit like those management consultants tasked with finding out whether people in a new market preferred hot tea or iced tea. They found equal numbers of both, so recommended all tea should be served tepid - thus irritating everyone in equal measure. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2015 So I'm away from home and therefore away from my 'puter and something happens which causes me to urgently need to hire a car - now what? (BTW remarkably I can actually lay hands on my paper counterpart in about 30 seconds - most of which is spent moving whatever might have landed on top of it in the drawer right next to me). As long as you can access the internet (doesnt have to be your own PC) you can log on to the Government website, give your driving licence number, your national insurance number and your post code and it will generate a code to give to the hire company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2015 Use your smartphone Mike! What's one of those? I have a mobile 'phone which I use, occasionally to make telephone calls and that is it. As long as you can access the internet (doesnt have to be your own PC) you can log on to the Government website, give your driving licence number, your national insurance number and your post code and it will generate a code to give to the hire company. er yes - 'access the internet' being the critical bit - my 'puter is at home and there's no way on this earth that I am going to put information like that into a 'puter in the likes of an internet caff or even at someone's business for the very simple reason that anyone could subsequently half-inch it. And people wonder how personal information is so easily acquired - looks very easy to me if you don't exercise simple security. As it says in the DVLA statement - "If you cannot generate a code online then you can call 0300 083 0013 and DVLA will provide you with a code." Which assumes that either I can remember the number or the office where I try to hire a vehicle also knows it - and what if there's an error transcribing the code or as Mick has pointed out what happens abroad (although I understand they usually aren't interested in the paper part in foreign countries. There would seem to me to be a very simple answer to this - just like bank card etc all we need is an individual multi-digit pin code which a vehicle hire or whatever establishment could use to access our details in our presence. Maybe that is too simple a concept for a Govt dept to understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 ......Britons can now not partake in social activities on the Continent as easily as before. I know, it wasn't a very popular activity anyway..... No, but if you look at the various "party islands" like Ibiza, Kavos, Magaluf, etc. it doesn't seem to have curtailed antisocial activities.....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Finding the counterpart is no problem, it's in the same box as the licence. All sounds like another case of trying to make things high tech for the sake of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Nice and easy when you still have a paper one. My understanding is that the paper one is no longer valid. If that's the case no van hire company will accept it. (oh - hang on - you probably meant the old type paper licence - DOH! - it's the paper counterpart that will not be valid after the 8th - sorry pardon) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 There is only problem I can see is if points are added on in error to the wrong licence the holder will not know till it is too late! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 My understanding is that the paper one is no longer valid. If that's the case no van hire company will accept it.I think that the paper counterpart isn't but if you've got a paper-only one you still don't have to replace it (yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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