RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2014 It may be that those clack valves were added by Ashford, in a period when that works took over maintenance of the E4s. I think that is what I have inferred from Bradley's description of the Southern Railway period for these locos. So 2473 as preserved should have them, 579 in Marsh umber should not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim104 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 The underside view is very revealing. The aspect that caught my attention is the trailing truck wheel arrangement. Looks as though it is in a swivelling mount, much as the arrangement on the 56xx - also 0-6-2T - model. What I found with this latter chassis is that this makes the vehicle track sensitive, as the wheel can take an oblique set when going through a point network leading to derailment, especially bunker leading. (Peco large and medium radius live crossing points for the record.) A simple lightly sprung pony truck is a far better choice in my opinion, completely reliable. (Since I couldn't have my N7 falling over the points all the time, I fixed the 56xx chassis by gluing on shims bearing on the axle to prevent any pivoting action, more than adequate sideplay to still get this chassis round a 24" radius.) I totally agree with this observation, I have two of the 56XX tanks with this trailing axle arrangement and when running bunker first derail at every opportunity on point work, I to have had to insert shims to give the locos the ability to stay on the track. Bachmann please, please, please, do not spoil this wonderful new model with such a poor trailing axle arrangement. Lets have a lightly sprung pony truck instead. Its all very well having a first class looking locomotive, but it needs to run without derailing and not just be a loco shed display item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The E4s travelled around quite widely in their time. Anyone know the BR locoshed allocations of the BR versions 32556 and 32470? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90rob Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've got that as: 32556 Horsham (48) Horsham (51) Eastleigh (54 onwards) 32470 Brighton (48) Brighton (51) Horsham (54) Horsham (57) Three Bridges (60) (Longworth) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've got that as: 32556 Horsham (48) Horsham (51) Eastleigh (54 onwards) 32470 Brighton (48) Brighton (51) Horsham (54) Horsham (57) Three Bridges (60) (Longworth) Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Does look lovely, I have had mine on order from Hattons since last year, I see in Model Rail Magazine that the release date is late 2014/early 2015. Is this correct ? Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWesternFan220 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Does look lovely, I have had mine on order from Hattons since last year, I see in Model Rail Magazine that the release date is late 2014/early 2015. Is this correct ? Chris I think this should help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks for the info, looks like will have to wait until Christmas then!!! All the best Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Yesterday at the bluebell model railway exhibition Bachmann had what i think was a BR e4 variant on display: 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Yesterday at the bluebell model railway exhibition Bachmann had what i think was a BR e4 variant on display: E4 RMWEB 3.jpgE4 RMWEB 2.jpg E4 RMWEB 1.jpg It was indeed the E4 which gained much favourable comment from both visitors and Bluebell Railway members alike. Over the weekend many visited the stand to see it for themselves. This is EP2 – one or two minor modifications having been made following consultation with the railway following the arrival of EP1 earlier in the year. All were delighted to see it on show and look forward to seeing livery samples next. Dennis Lovett Public Relations Manager Bachmann Europe Plc 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Regarding clack valves (or not) on the side of the boiler. This depends on which type of boiler is fitted, several different versions were built to fit these engines over the years. The same boiler could also be used on some other classes. Some of these had clack valves on the boiler side, others had backhead mounted combined injector steam valves & clacks. Any specific loco could have had different arrangements at different times during its lifetime. Only real way to tell what is correct is datable photographs. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Just noticed the painted samples on the Bachmann site, they do look good, I dont think I can justify one around the March or Cambridge area though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Just noticed the painted samples on the Bachmann site, they do look good, I dont think I can justify one around the March or Cambridge area though. Does this colour look washed out to anyone else as well? The GWR green on the 64xx looks washed out too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's clearly hand finished, but not to a good standard. The lining is simplified (squared off corners round the cab) and the lettering on the tank is too low. It looks a bit like something out of a 1970s Wrenn catalogue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2014 Does this colour look washed out to anyone else as well? The GWR green on the 64xx looks washed out too. This is a model in development.Why on earth take this as what eventually you will get out of the box...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) This is a model in development.Why on earth take this as what eventually you will get out of the box...? I didn't assume the final product will look like that, though that is usually what you would try to accomplish in a catalogue. The appearance of the colour could be due to overexposure of the photograph to show more detail. It could be a poor choice by whomever hand-painted it. I simply asked if the colour looked washed out. Edited July 18, 2014 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's clearly hand finished, but not to a good standard. The lining is simplified (squared off corners round the cab) and the lettering on the tank is too low. It looks a bit like something out of a 1970s Wrenn catalogue. I take your word for it that it's 'hand finished'.To me it looks like a sample seen in a catalogue as an 'artist's impression' of a model soon to be 'in production'. I really don't think that there is a need to rush to judgement at this stage.If we are to judge,please wait until this model reaches the market,hopefully sometime later this year....and yes,I have seen and handled both painted and unpainted pre production samples of this very fine model.Rest assured,you are in for a treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2014 I didn't assume the final product will look like that, though that is usually what you would try to accomplish in a catalogue. The appearance of the colour could be due to overexposure of the photograph to show more detail. It could be a poor choice by whomever hand-painted it. I simply asked if the colour looked washed out. By doing so ,you are giving ,I think.people an impression that there's a problem.Pity the poor guy commissioned to paint the pre production sample..Remember,this is just a step on the road.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Just noticed the painted samples on the Bachmann site, they do look good, I dont think I can justify one around the March or Cambridge area though. Not really, it's the wrong type of E4.... Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Got a feeling the painted samples on the website might be computer done or Hand painted which Bachmann does from time to time, as there are errors on the livery of the SR one which looks like something out of the railroad range and the LBSC one is rather simple, I have a feeling they are just to get a feel of what they may look like, as I think posted last week or a few weeks ago they only just got the second EP so either China just pulled the finger out or your looking at Computer or hand painted samples. Edited July 19, 2014 by Bluebell Model Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 It is probably a problem with the image i.e. The camera or the wrong shade on the computer, because all the newly released samples look washed out, and its unlikely that they all will be painted wrong. I do agree that the southern and lbsc livery are a bit basic, and is looks like 473's wheels are weathered? yet again it may be a issue with the image, but it would be very surprised if they weathered the southern version and not a br version. Also on past images put on the Bachmann website the shade is often wrong, like with the new secr c class. Nevertheless, i think the unlined black version looks quite nice 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Really like the E4 LB&SCR and Southern liveries off the website. Definitely going to order one each of those a bit closer to the release date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Really like the E4 LB&SCR and Southern liveries off the website. Definitely going to order one each of those a bit closer to the release date. I wouldn't wait, if they sell anything like the C class you may miss out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 21, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 I can confirm that these images of the E4 are hand painted EP samples, so that they had something to photograph in colour for the catalogue. If you think the SR Maunsell version of the E4 livery was odd in their catalogue and on their website you should see the other side of the same loco and the very spurious Sunshine style lettering application! At the trade and media event yesterday I immediately highlighted this and I was advised that the actual final livery artwork is still in progress and will differ from that shown on the hand painted samples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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