Wagonman and DesA,
The OP asked a broad question and a broad range of answers have been supplied. I could understand the annoyance if the OP had asked what classes most usually worked the route but the question wasn't specifically phrased.
The other angle is that the information contributed within the topic may be of use to readers other than the OP too and raises subsequent discussion. The whole topic has been about locos that did run on the S&D so I can't see any problem. It's certainly not worth having an argument over.
A simple but telling fact, thank you Metadyne.
This really does indicate, as others have intimated, that the product has been designed down to the lowest common denominator and priced as high as the market would bear as opposed to designing in what a product actually needs or should have and applying an appropriate margin.
I missed seeing this one last night but I would like to clearly state that the content of this topic has remained within the forum rules providing objective information, analysis and practical solutions where possible. It is clear that the model is unsatisfactory to a significant number of people. If it meets someone else's more forgiving standards then they are free to buy it; we're not the EMU-police. By your own admission you have no interest in the model and do not appear to have any significant input, at least Venator has given an assessment based on his experiences.
It's silly stuff like this where people then run off to other sites moaning and generalising about RMweb members being rivet counters whilst all that's being discussed is specific information.
The last sentence reads to me that you'll just stick your fingers in your ears and maintain your opinion. Do bear in mind a similar future discussion may centre around a product that you actually want and the information may be of value to you rather than subject matter to just pass your judgement of others on. In the meantime please just grow a thicker skin.
It seems to be an increasing occurrence that smaller suppliers, cottage industries and their like arrive on the forum and their first post is one of self-promotion. It is evident that little attention is paid to the forum rules and specifically:
Although the forum is free to read, register and participate it is paid for by site supporters, sponsors and me and I feel it's particularly bad form to disregard the rule above where postings are made for commercial gain with disregard for common courtesies.
I am keen that we support the cottage industry aspects of the hobby but we have to have some parameters in places to prevent abuse of the facility. All it takes is to email or PM me with a explanation, if the information to be given is likely to be of interest to or beneficial to the membership it is likely that consent to post the information will be given. If people can't be bothered to do that we will just bin the posts.
Over time there have also been instances where some cottage industries feel they're doing the site a favour with their self-promotion and have been particularly ill-tempered when tackled when self-promotion goes beyond anything noteworthy or responding to questions.
We do have mechanisms in place where provision of suitable platforms are available to businesses if they wish to contribute towards the running costs and I also seek to protect existing forum sponsors from competitors taking advantage of the site.
has just had a monumentally ignorant and rude email. From a senior scientist working for Camridge Uni with a PhD who seems to have trouble with a basic registration process. He won't need a mass spectrometer to work out he won't be here long.
The challenge is now CLOSED and final entries should be submitted.
1. Please create a summary topic in this forum area - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/forum/194-2011-challenge-summary-topics/ by 08 October.
2. Please post a link to your summary topic in this topic - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/45440-2011-challenge-confirmed-entries/
Hi Casey,
Having created a topic is deemed an expression of intent. I'll then open a topic for people to confirm that there entry is to be submitted and a forum area for people to write a summary to show their entry to its best effect (as that can get lost in a topic over time).
If you do have any upload problems please email me at info@rmweb.co.uk so we can find a solution.
It might work now but wait 'till saturday, when the winging will commence... unless we're all wrong and you've built a new layout rather than upgraded the site!
It's worth considering points I made in a recent PM about this issue.
Could I trust everyone to abide by those guidelines if we were to open it up? Very unlikely! I'm then potentially placed in an awkward position as a publisher if someone goes over the top; as they sometimes do.
Also the compilation of such reference material in the way suggested would take up too much time.
Yes, several stupid and immature posts were removed including racist comments. Think yourself lucky you weren't automatically banned but it appears you think you'd overstepped the mark anyway so why do it?
Wigan Model Railway Exhibition
Robin Park Arena & Sports Centre
Loire Drive
Wigan
WN5 0UH
Saturday 10th December 2011 - 10am until 5.30pm
Sunday 11th December 2011 - 10am until 4.30
Adult entry cost - £10 including exhibition guide
Accompanied children free of charge
We are still in the same venue and the same two halls as last year, which are flat and easily accessible for wheelchairs, mobility scooters & prams.
We now have an Exhibition of 31,000 square feet, this has enabled us to alleviate the problem of overcrowding and equally important we have a Coffee Shop / Refreshment Area within the larger LTA Hall.
The Licensed Bar serving hot food will still be available in Cafe Life (formally Champions Bar), this has been totally refurbished and now has seating and tables for 60 people.
38 layouts
1. Abhainn an Scail/Annascaul OOn3 Light Railway in S.W.Ireland by Stephen P Titmuss from Oldham. 16’6”x1’6
2. Barmouth Bridge O Barmouth Bridge in North Wales from 1911 to 2000 by Barrie Kelsall of Shrewsbury.46’x3’ BRM Sept 2000
3. Burntisland 1883 P4 North British Railway in 1883 by the East of Scotland 4mm Group 32’6”x12’8”
4. Carreg Lwyd Wharf OO9 Welsh Narrow Gauge by Roy Fair of the OO9 Society. 12’x2’
5. Cripps Bottom Yard OO BR/ex LMS by Keith Armitage of Seaham Co Durham. 18’6”x2’6” RM
6. Crumley & Little Wickhill OO9 Narrow Gauge Railway in Lancs/Yorks 1930 by Hull MRS. 12’x12’
7. Eaton Gomery Cambria Railway 1908 by Peter Thomas Wigan Finescale Railway Modellers BRM 44’x1’6”
8. East Lynn & Nunstanton S GER [exM&GN] North West Norfolk 1890’s by Trevor Nunn. 31’8”x6’ BRM
9. East Rode TT BR North West England in 1950/1960 by Macclesfield MRG 12’x6’7”
10. Engdorf [Engertalbahn] O DB Germany 1969/1970 by Peter Wurcbacher & the Norton Cross MRG 20’x2’
11. Foston Mills O North Holdness Light Rly, East Yorkshire 1950’s by John Buck & David Rees. 26’x3’ RM Jan 2008
12. Gardiner Junction N BR 1955/60 North West England by Ian F Wheelock from St Helens. 8’6”x6’6”
13. Gifford Street O BR/LMR 1960 John Emerson & the 127 Group 46’x10’. BRM various articles 2008/2009
14. Grathwaite OO BR 1970/80’s DCC Sound 1st Show by Graeme Marriott of Cumbria. 20’6”x8’6”
15. Guisborough in Preservation OO NE Terminus by David Lloyd of North Yorkshire. 24’x2’8” RM Oct & Nov 2009
16. Hospital Gates O Private Light Rly by Neil Ripley & the East Riding Finescale Group 20’x2’6” BRM
17. Iron Street, Board Mills EM Industrial Mill Scene in Lancs 1959 by Andrew Wright 4’7”x1’4”
18. Kepier Colliery OO NCB Colliery in Co Durham by John R Cook 18’x2’ BRM
19. Kingsfield OO Oxfordshire in 1958/1965 by Barnhill MRC RM 2005 layout of the year & Hornby Dec 2009
20. Langholm N BR [ex NBR] Scotland 1950’s by Dr Stephen Fairlie from Newcastle-upon-Tyne 14’x2’
21. LNWR Steam Shed 1901 OO “The Premier Line” by Roger Stapleton of Washington Tyne & Wear. 12’x8’ RM Sept 2003
22. Loch Oran N West Highland Line by David Harrison of Bridlington East Yorkshire 16’x6’ RM Dec 2009
23. Marsh Chipping N BR [WR] in the Cotswolds by David Westwood of Leicester. 11’x3’
24. Millwall Goods & Arnold Lane O London Docks Circa 1910 by Peter A Thompson of Somerset RM
25. New Mills OO WCML 1960’s by Francis Gomme of Princes Risborough 36’x8’ BRM
26. Murrayville Yard HO USA near Chicargo in the 1970’s by Pontefract & Normanton RMS 20’6”x3’6”
27. North of England Line N Steam & Early Diesel by Scarborough & District RMC 18’x4’ Hornby March 2010
28. Oldham King Street Parcels O BR DCC North Manchester 1960/70’s by David Hampson/Keith Harrison 20’x2’
29. Otterbridge EM Southern Rly 1930’s by Peter Bailey of Havant Hampshire 14’x2’
30. Pempoul French Meter Gauge Reseau Breton in the early 1960’s by Gordon & Maggie Gravett CM & MRJ 20’x10
31. Poole-in-Wharfedale OO BR Wharf Valley Yorkshire in 1950/55 [ex MR & NER Line] by Harvey Whitmore 16’x6’6” BRM
32. Purbeck OO9 Isle of Purbeck Ball Clay Lines by John Thorne of Dorset 11’x1’8” RM Oct & Nov 2008
33. Purgatory Peak On30 USA Mining in the 1930 by Shaun Horrocks & Macclesfield MRG 27’x9’
34. Rea Bridge OO9 Scotland 1910/25 by Ted Polet of The Netherlands 10’2”x3’4” CM
35. Striven EM Lancs & Yorks LMS in the 1930’s by Val & Colin Ashby 13’6”x10’ RM Nov/Dec 2010
36. Tetfield-under-Bolt N BR 1958/62 [WR] by Bob Rowlands of Liverpool 10’x1’ RM late 2011
37. Torcy [sud] HO Haute Normandie SNCF by John & Peter Smith of Birmingham 22’6”x2’
38. Untermutten HOm Switzerland in 1989 by Dave Howsam of Manchester
(All images copyright and courtesy of Tony Wright and British Railway Modelling)
52 Traders
1. A1 Models, Doncaster
2. Bachmann Europe Plc.
3. B. H. Enterprises, Birmingham
4. Bill Hudson Transport Books, Matlock
5. Black Cat Baseboards, Hull [new to Wigan in 2011]
6. Booklaw, Nottingham
7. British Railway Modelling, Lincolnshire
8. Buzz Models, Birmingham
9. Ceynix Railway Trees, Northolt [new to Wigan in 2011]
10. Cheltenham Model Centre, Cheltenham
11. Churchward Models, Birmingham
12. C & L Finescale (new to Wigan in 2011)
13. Comet Models, Herefordshire
14. Contikits, Tyne & Wear
15. D & E Videos, Leeds
16. D.C Kits, Leeds
17. Darlington Railway Modelling, Co Durham [new to Wigan in 2011]
18. Dean Sidings, Gloustershire
19. Digitrains, Lincoln (new to Wigan in 2011)
20. Eileen’s Emporium,
21. Exactoscale Ltd, Essex
22. Flangeway Models, Kidderminster
23. Footplate Models, Kidderminster
24. Going Loco, Wakefield
25. Green Scene, Worcester
26. Grimey Times, Warrington, 9new to Wigan in 2011)
27. Hobby Holidays, Doncaster
28. Invertrain Model Railways, Dunfermline, Scotland
29. Judith Edge Kits, Barnsley
30. Kytes Lights, Bognor Regis
31. Layouts4U, Cambridgeshire
32. London Road Models, Watford
33. M & B Models, Nottingham
34. Modelex, Birmingham
35. Nairnshire Modelling Supplies, Nairn, Scotland
36. P & H Models, Lincolnshire
37. Parkside Dundas, Fife, Scotland
38. Penketh Model Rail Centre, Warrington
39. Plus Daughters, Essex
40. Realtrack Models, Leeds
41. Roger Carpenter (Photographs), Birmingham
42. Rural Railways, Shropshire [new to Wigan in 2011]
43. Santona Publications, Nottingham
44. Shawplan Model Products, Nottingham
45. Stevenson Carriages, Chesterfield, (new to Wigan in 201)
46. Syktrex, Loughborough
47. Ten Commandments, Fife, Scotland
48. The P4 Track Co, Essex
49. TMS Models, Manchester
50. Todmorden Model Supplies, Lancashire
51. Wiganfrm Sales Stand
52. ZTC Controls (2009) Ltd, Somerset
Yes; they were truly dire but such is life.
Yes; I'll watch X-Factor but the hype passes me by but I do have to pass comment that Gary Barlow's brilliantly incisive. I admire anyone who can kill with a look and the politely control the attention-seeking talentless ones.
Yes Pete, it can be considered as such although I'm technically including 01 Oct as the last day any work should happen.
Once the dealine has arrived I will then open a separate topic where entrants must confirm their entry with a link to the content. I will then build the voting structure from that.
Good luck all in the final days; although certain people have still probably got time to whack out another entry.