micklner

Some additional photos re the Fire Iron support. The bracket is clearly above the top of the Tender in all the photos. Obvious as not a lot of use if its lower and buried under the Coal. I only photo I have found of a slotted plate is also of a Q7 Tender. I have found photos where the front plate is missing completly in that corner of the Tender. All photos posted for research only use.

A short answer to the last post 6 A&B However Part 6 in the modern world should'nt exist. Trade Descriptions & Sales of Goods Acts apply to this as a product , just the same as any other item we all pay money for. This kit is £175.00 . That is without buying all the missing parts, wheels ,gearbox , motor , paint etc. in the region of £300.00 in total. It was'nt hard to actually build , but it was time consuming/frustrating . This applies to many other kits not just the B16 which are of the same era, or standard. To actually identify the missing parts , poor description/instructions or simply non existent description/instructions for how the kit could actually be built should'nt be necessary . Most of this has been said already in this thread, and elsewhere on numerous occasions by many people. In this case the only reason I managed to build the kit was because I was kindly sent the 7mm version of the instructions for the same kit, otherwise it would have never been built. Even today I have been caught out again over design defects/sizes in the Tender etches. Yes the etches are wrong, therefore they should be redone before selling the kit . Obviously this increases the kit price I presume. Personally I would happily pay the extra up front, instead having the hassle to buy from other suppliers. If you can even then you can find the needed parts. It would again make it much easier to build a proper complete kit from the start, instead of a semi scratch builders version. Any Kit should'nt be simply for sale when such known problems exist and in this case identified. Or the alternative is that are the known issues should all be listed in the actual advertisments for the product. I have spoken to John at LRM re all the issues, he states he is considering extra etches, castings and better instructions for this kit.

Exactly and well said. However some of the other obvious problems are :- How many Loco and other kits in 4mm are now sold nowdays ? If sales are low, a large amount of finance is therefore tied up for the seller. Thus preventing any other kits being made or improved for perhaps a considerable period, or even years in some cases. The vast majority of kits for sale are from years ago, very few new kits are being produced . Very few ever appear to be updated either. In LRM kits for example, it appears virtually all having been taken over by the current owner, from previous makers, some of those from many years ago. e.g ex Geo Norton kits 1970's or a even earlier era??. LRM claims that many of the kits are now made with new castings etc being supplied , on how many of those kits I have no idea. The ex Steve Barnfield B16 kit is from 30 years ago , as I now know very little has been done in the way of improvement in any way in the kit I was supplied with this year. 30 years ago it was perhaps cutting edge in design , I have no idea of its status at that time. Many things have moved on in 30 years, perhaps Railway Modelling needs a big shake up in methods , designs , quality etc etc. Current improvements in r.t.r has realistically consigned many kits to the sales bin or low sales at best. This is not helped by the asking prices for wheels etc etc to complete the kits as well. Any kit is now scary money prices , when you actually add up the total cost . One of the obvious reasons ebay and the like are so succesful.

Mike Re the Firebox bottom Washout plugs . Another strange omission from the kit, all the B16's had them from the early 1930's. I have made mine from 2mm Brass axle bushes with the top flange filed as thin as possible. Markits do the actual Plugs in turned Brass slightly undersize for 2mm hole. I cheated and superglued the plugs in place inside the bearing . I think soldering them in would have been very awkward to do, keep them central inside the Bush would have been a real pain. Re the well known Tender photo above the kit says BR period, the same photo in NER Locos by Hoole states in use in 1939. I went for the simpler front on my Tender.

Mike and Richard. Only via Janet his daughter a few months ago, he was progessing well at that time . Hopefully, I have been contacted today re the Toolbox saga and hopefully he has some spare ones. Once I know re the Toolboxes I will then email Janet to see how Arthur is, at the same time as finding out if she has any castings. Janet said the last time I emailed her that she hope to keep the kits going.

On the photos I have the Fire Iron stand was higher than the Coal Plate on all of them , no slot obvious.

Thanks Mike. A new kit is exactly what is needed. !! As said earlier I have made LRM aware of the kits multiple failings as regards to the Loco , the Tender can now also be added to the list. LRM even list "it" as seperate item for £50 !!! Another message will be sent to LRM re the Tender as well. Mick

Dave Bradwell only offers the Tender castings at £12 plus postage for a complete set and he will not split them. I have chucked enough money at this god awful kit already . I would probably wreck the Tender taking the others off as well , they can stay. Unless I can find something else in my spares. DJH are far worse IMHO!!. I have just looked at Hornby's Q6 they are wrong shape as well !! Thanks

Thanks for the info. The Tool boxes are from Dave Bradwell at a guess they are J27 versions. The LRM versions in the kit are just lumps of a similar shape. Any ideas where some could be obtained please ? The Coalguards are what came with the kit, which if you read my previous comments re its quality, it may make things more understandable . They appear to match the photos I have . Again where can you source any any alternatives? cheers Mick

B16 Tender ready for paint.

Richard I have been lucky to source two sheets of older HMRS/PC Models LNER lining sheets since the debacle with the current HMRS "effort". I havent bought anymore from HMRS since. Try ebay. Mick

D17 1922 or is it 1992 is post 1928 , look at the Tender Lettering . Cheers.

Still waiting !!!!

Re Mainline 581 Info here https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&id=601072085&type=S&loco=581 No LNER shunting engines were ever Green prior to 1946/1948.

The NER adopted Black with Red Lining for the E1/J72 and other shunting engines in 1904 , 2173 was'nt built until 1914 . Bachmann didnt even the get the lining right on their "NER" version as only Black /White not Black/White/Black . The photo has the Loco in Grey . Bachmann obviously thought Green would sell better. Info from Hoole's NER Locomotives , published for educational reasons only.

581 in Green dubious at best. I have never seen a photo of 581 in Green it would have to be pre war as well. https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9240 e.g The current NER livery J72 version in NER Green, the livery was actually based on a photo of the Loco in Photographic Grey.

All Black Locos lined Red prior to 1928, and theron until a general repair, then plain Black if a goods only.

The last photo date of the B15 is wrong. The lettering layout is post 1928, in 1923 the lettering and numbers, would have been all on the Tender. The 1923- 1928 lettering/numbers layout is as on the J23 in the previous photo.

Oxford are making some kind of announcement re the Rail products at Warley.

I presume you mean annealing not tempering. I have done it on Brass and it makes curving much easier . I presume this is Nickel Silver?. Read here https://www.missendenrailwaymodellers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Annealing-Brass-and-Nickel-Silver.pdf

Watch Ebay, there was a LNER A2/3 Tender on there last week.

Original Rapido Singles are coming up on ebay already , two for £500 each today . A sudden influx of J52's for sale as well . They maybe hoping at best !!.

Very nice, I however personally would change the Whistle. Very vulnerable in Whitemetal as well. Looking at the Model Rail photos the Chimney Cover looks exactly the same as you have made. I would leave it , as it is.

Offered and withdrawn as not enough people wanted to buy the museum only version .

Appears the photo has the wrong running number. 65035 is listed as a J21 https://www.brdatabase.info/locomotives.php?loconum=65035