RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 Some very strong comments here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30742205from Network Rail regarding a potential housing development close to the site to the collapse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 Presumably their next planning application will be in Dunwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammy Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Fair play to network rail trying to avoid destabilisation to the cliff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Howard Phillips, chief executive of Pegasus Life said: "We are committed to creating stunning homes that sit in harmony with their surroundings. Mamon rears its ugly head. Retirement homes which wouldn't be cheap. http://www.pegasuslife.co.uk/portfolio/dawlish-devon/ Looks to be on top of Parsons Tunnel. Edited January 9, 2015 by Re6/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I'd be worried about getting insurance for a property so near the coast. In the meanwhile, I'd raise my glass to CK and his colleagues for all the hard work in some dreadful conditions. Cheers, lads. Dennis 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2015 Some very strong comments here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30742205from Network Rail regarding a potential housing development close to the site to the collapse. I hadn't seen that, but I completely agree with the comments my colleague has made. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) I like the comment from the property developers about keeping a 33ft exclusion zone from the cliff edge. When I was deeply involved with unstable slopes we always used to start off drawing a 45 degree (1 in 1) from the bottom of the cut face to define the initial area of risk. If you are in clay soils most of the natural slopes in England are standing at no more than 1 in 3. No matter what gets written into planning permissions (or deeds) the real difficulty is proving what has happened. There is a need to understand that with most earthworks problems the loading is from the mass of the ground. The superimposed loading from housing (or road or rail vehicles in the case of embankments) is largely irrelevant. Then of course there is the groundwater - which can both add to the load and at the same time halve the shear strength. Proving how that might have changed after a slope has failed could keep a lot of 'experts' busy for quite some time. Good to luck to Network Rail I say. Regards Ray Edited January 9, 2015 by Silver Sidelines 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Quote: "Pegasus called it an "excellent and appropriate concept for this wonderful location". End quote. Which roughly translated means, "An excellent opportunity to make a quick buck!" Still, never let safety get in the way of making a few quid, eh Mr Howard Phillips? Edited January 9, 2015 by Gary H 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 If they are unable to build them there I know of a couple of handy flood plains they can use. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I am assuming this is what was Shell Cove House we once, 40 years back, stayed there in a lodge, while we were between homes beautiful place, would be a magnet to prospective, unsuspecting customers has its own foot path to a 'private' beach 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04vvt11/spotlight-09012015 Can be seen until 1900 hrs tomorrow. 12.30 mins in. Edited January 9, 2015 by Re6/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2015 Some very strong comments here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30742205from Network Rail regarding a potential housing development close to the site to the collapse. I love the comment from the profiteers developers about building no closer than 10 metres to the cliff edge - would that be this month's cliff edge or next winter's? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Knowing the developer probberly last winters edfe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2015 Quote: "Pegasus called it an "excellent and appropriate concept for this wonderful location". It's probably a good place to keep the Teignmouth lifeboat... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted January 10, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2015 The Stationmaster, on 10 Jan 2015 - 15:25, said:I love the comment from the profiteers developers about building no closer than 10 metres to the cliff edge - would that be this month's cliff edge or next winter's? Indeed. Just about sums up how farcical the whole thing is! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) I spoke to an Amco operative on Thursday 8th, He was not at all impressed by the 'new' jacking barge having not been moved from Teignmouth docks to Dawlish on the favourable tides on wednesday due to the 'swell' running ( he had been previously involved in vessel movements to the Scilly Isles Atlantic Rollers etc, 60 ft waves off Lands End etc) I couldn't possibly comment, although I have seen Sennen Cove disappear under 100 ft of sea spray He did say that about 100 'L' shaped precast units are stacked on Teignmouth Docks, although from Poly Steps only 5 are visible, ready for shipping as soon as the barge does get moved The bottom walkway has had the locating/anchor bolts fixed in place ready to receive them and it looks like they are going to run concrete across the beach from Red Rock again as well as from the main road above the site there has been a pinch point off Rockstone bridge, where the beach is lower & this hinders access to the site, so Thursday they were constructing what looks to be a causeway to offset this building a loose barrier out of old rock & broken concrete Terex dumper, having been loaded up by the Jacking barge, turning ready to reverse down to tip backing down under Rockstone bridge Sorry I have not been about a lot this week my wife has had a major spine surgery postponed 3 times Oct, Nov, then December again but she eventually had it this last Thurs ( 5-6 hours) And now is recovering very well, the surgeon is pleased, And I am WELL pleased & relieved but with Hospital visiting twice daily time is limited hopefully she will be home either tomorrow Sunday or maybe Monday, depending on the X rays tomorrow Edited January 10, 2015 by Granitechops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2015 Indeed. Just about sums up how farcical the whole thing is! Indeed Gary. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this doesn't 'sneak through' over time. Determined developers/speculators just go on and on adjusting the plans until they get what they want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulderspants Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The other platform has arrived. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Indeed Gary. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this doesn't 'sneak through' over time. Determined developers/speculators just go on and on adjusting the plans until they get what they want. I wonder if prospective purchasers will be able to get building insurance? Certain insurers have been known to refuse where they believe the is a risk of cliff collapse, and have done so for quite some time; building societies have also been known to refuse mortgages. My sister had issues with this, as she's a few street backs from a cliff which has given problems; when the parties involved tried to baffle her with science, they probably didn't realise she was a geotechnical engineer with an encyclopedic knowledge of the local geology.. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2015 It would be interesting to know who owns the cliffs. The landowner above or NR below. The GWR boundary markers are normally three or so metres away from the railway line. A good point Brian about insurance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Maybe it should be written in that the 10m boundary (or whatever it was) should remain in place for 50 years, any reduction in that 10m and the developers would have to 'correct' it! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2015 The insurance aspect is an interesting one. In light of recent events right across the British isles over the last couple of years (infact much longer than that probably), any insurance company worth its salt would take a long hard look at any building perched so near a cliff edge in this day and age! What is more concerning is also the amount of 'back handers' that goes on in the property development game as a whole now. I would say every body on this forum knows of atleast one example of something that was built which under normal 'level playing field' circumstances would have never come to fruition! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2015 The other issue is that local authorities are scared of rejecting applications because of the cost of ending up in court when the developer challenges the rejection - even if the rejection was for good reasons. As these are retirement homes perhaps the developer is hoping they will outlast the first purchasers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2015 The other issue is that local authorities are scared of rejecting applications because of the cost of ending up in court when the developer challenges the rejection - even if the rejection was for good reasons. As these are retirement homes perhaps the developer is hoping they will outlast the first purchasers. That happenned near me where a field got itself reclassified as a garden, thus becoming brownfield, and 7 houses were built on it. The application had been rejected 3 times but the developer, one of 3 brothers who controlled the land, got a consultant in at the cost of several thousand pounds and the council caved in due to anticipated court costs if they lost the appeal. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Building on “Flood Plains” in Essex is yet another example. I know England is a small crowded country but that cliffside looks particularly prone to erosion, more so when any vegetation is further removed. Best, Pete. Edited: To cover my idiocy that England is an island.... Edited January 12, 2015 by trisonic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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