RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just watching Countryfile on BBC. They just had an article on Dawlish, one of the houses affected apparently belongs to one of their cameramen who took the film of the washout from his bedroom window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Developers are a curse in our town we are under siege on every boundary and our council does nothing ,the houses at Dawlish surely must be stopped as that cliff is unstable I would not want to live there.But they will be sold to people who want the country life and sea view from London or Birmingham and they wont know what awaits them perhaps a sign should be put up saying YOU ARE ALL DOOMED.Glad that Mrs Granite Chops is coming on okay hope that recovery is qick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcriout Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just watching Countryfile on BBC. They just had an article on Dawlish, one of the houses affected apparently belongs to one of their cameramen who took the film of the washout from his bedroom window.looked to be the balcony that the network rail camera is fitted to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 ............. And now is recovering very well, the surgeon is pleased, And I am WELL pleased & relieved .......... . Good luck to you and your wife. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't keep up to date on this thread, but am well aware that Granitechops makes a major factual contribution, despite serious disability. I certainly am glad to hear that his lady is recovering well. Developers and councils have a common goal, actually. In a country that has a perpetual housing shortage (EU immigration etc hasn't really made a lot of difference, either, as it was always the case), Central Government no doubt sets targets for new homes. Thus the councillors are between a rock and hard place - if that isn't inappropriate in this context! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thus the councillors are between a rock and hard place - if that isn't inappropriate in this context! Actually Ian, I think that they are between some softish rock and a hard place, so we know what will 'give' first... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 It would be interesting to know who owns the cliffs. The landowner above or NR below. The GWR boundary markers are normally three or so metres away from the railway line. Because we seem to be contesting it, I doubt that NR owns the land where these edifices are proposed, although we should own the cliffs to the top of the actual slopes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 So eventually you will own the land where the new houses are being built then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 Building on “Flood Plains” in Essex is yet another example. I know England is a small crowded country but that cliffside looks particularly prone to erosion, more so when any vegetation is further removed. Best, Pete. Edited: To cover my idiocy that England is an island.... Lets hope that prospective buyers check how much their insurance will be and that it covers erosion before they decide to buy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Insurers round here are very fussy about flood plains so they must be the same in Dawlish with all that's happened down there and a dodgy cliff must be a no no. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 So eventually you will own the land where the new houses are being built then I think the technical term will be 'mobile homes'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the technical term will be 'mobile homes'... 'Flying freeholds' 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the technical term will be 'mobile homes'... 'Flying freeholds' They will be if/when the cliffs collapse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If they are built I wonder if the residents will complain about noise from trains stopping them from hearing the cliff slip away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not sure how it will be resolved, except I can see the lawyers making most out of it. If the railway owns the cliff, and do not keep it stable, then when the cliff collapses, then the guy who owns the land at the top loses some of his property. If the land at the top was just low grade agricultural land, then the cheapest option would be for the railway to buy that land too. If the landowner at the top owns the cliff, and it collapses then he will be liable to any damage to railway. If the land at the top is developed to any extent, then access to get to the cliff top for any future repairs will be restricted. How much of the cliff needs to be removed (by natural or other means) before it becomes completely stable? is that a 45 deg slope? Then that new distance, less a safety margin is the realistic boundary of the area for development at the top, whoever owns the land or cliff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't know about the angle of the slope - which probably isn't far off where it should be - but the key thing is the effect of rainwater on the material which forms it. Add it some half baked cheapskate builder who will probably put the soakaways for rainwater round that side and I think we can look forward to future mud-slides. Of course what someone ought to ask the local council (who are seemingly in favour of the plan) is how much the developers will be giving sorry, 'contributing' to them as a Section 106 payment? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Tues 13th Jan 2015 3.35 pm Storm front forecast for this evening both jacking barges elevated gangway stowed temporary causeway partly leveled by the waves which was to be expected 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Wed 14 Jan looks like builders are carrying stuff out off the house that was worse damaged in the storms two skips on road from NWR webcam http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/storm-damage/dawlish/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Plumtree Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Observed on Dawlish Beach cam, at 12:30 today a barge arrived at the cranes with at least one concrete L section on. Not sure I am allowed to do a screen print of this site? Why are they being brought by barge, why not overnight on the Down line to Dawlish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Plumtree Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 looks like four L blocks being craned onto the larger of the two platforms... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Observed on Dawlish Beach cam, at 12:30 today a barge arrived at the cranes with at least one concrete L section on. Not sure I am allowed to do a screen print of this site? Why are they being brought by barge, why not overnight on the Down line to Dawlish? Perhaps because they need daylight to work on them? If you brought them in by rail overnight, you'd either have to have teams working overnight, not ideal given overnight temperatures, or double-handle them. I suspect you'd also have to have a temporary block on both lines, as there is a risk of the load fouling the adjacent track during unloading, especially with the winds forecast. There was an incident near Birmingham a few years ago, where a crane briefly fouled an adjacent track, not under possession, and damaged a DMU. Since then, such activities have been frowned on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 Observed on Dawlish Beach cam, at 12:30 today a barge arrived at the cranes with at least one concrete L section on. Not sure I am allowed to do a screen print of this site? Why are they being brought by barge, why not overnight on the Down line to Dawlish? ..paper work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Why are they being brought by barge, why not overnight on the Down line to Dawlish? Where are the loco and wagons coming from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 Perhaps because they need daylight to work on them? If you brought them in by rail overnight, you'd either have to have teams working overnight, not ideal given overnight temperatures, or double-handle them. I suspect you'd also have to have a temporary block on both lines, as there is a risk of the load fouling the adjacent track during unloading, especially with the winds forecast. There was an incident near Birmingham a few years ago, where a crane briefly fouled an adjacent track, not under possession, and damaged a DMU. Since then, such activities have been frowned on. Exactly right. We've looked long and hard into this, and a rail delivery option simply isn't viable, even overnight the opportunities for both roads to be blocked are very limited, in terms of achieving some meaningful work outputs. Just blocking one road wouldn't work, for the reasons already stated, the crane operations would foul the open line, and during the daytime the Up (Reversible) line can't carry all the traffic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcriout Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The first L shaped blocks are being placed on the wall just seen block being lowered watching on Dawlish beach cam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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