Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

A few photos on the ECML this evening.

 

 

If only it was 'this evening...'

 

I'd be in the car right now.

[RANGERS]

A few photos on the ECML this evening.

 

 

Little Bytham Class 47 is it 1111 10.20 Kings X to Hull down Sept 70 J2383.jpg

Little Bytham Class 47 is it 1111? 10.20 Kings X to Hull down Sept 70 J2383

 

 

Little Bytham Class 55 9013 11.00 Kings X to Newcastle down Sept 70 J2386.jpg

Little Bytham Class 55 9013 11.00 Kings X to Newcastle down Sept 70 J2386

 

 

Little Bytham Class 47 down Kings X to LeedsOct 70 J2418.jpg

Little Bytham Class 47 down Kings X to Leeds Oct 70 J2418

 

 

Peakirk Class 31 and Class 40 271 down cement Nov 70 J2448.jpg

Peakirk Class 31 and Class 40 271 down cement Nov 70 J2448  Peakirk is north of Peterborough.  I think Dad had been visiting the  WWT centre which used to be there and stopped to take a photo.

 

 

Offord and Buckden Class 45 up cartics Nov 70 J2457.jpg

Offord and Buckden Class 45 up cartics Nov 70 J2457

 

 

David

Was the shot of Peakirk on the ECML or the loop line? Peakirk itself and its station were on the Spalding line, the first station beyond Werrington Jct

[hmrspaul]

A few photos on the ECML this evening.

 

 

 

Peakirk Class 31 and Class 40 271 down cement Nov 70 J2448.jpg

Peakirk Class 31 and Class 40 271 down cement Nov 70 J2448  Peakirk is north of Peterborough.  I think Dad had been visiting the  WWT centre which used to be there and stopped to take a photo.

 

David

 

Dave, Not cement presflo, but the larger dry fly ash version CSA - very common working to fill up the waste brick pits at Peterborough. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brflyashcsa

 

Paul

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A lovely set of ECML photos. In J2386 I can almost hear 9013 as she powers by on that express train with the carriages swishing by behind her. All so very nostalgic.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

Was the shot of Peakirk on the ECML or the loop line? Peakirk itself and its station were on the Spalding line, the first station beyond Werrington Jct

 

 

Dave, Not cement presflo, but the larger dry fly ash version CSA - very common working to fill up the waste brick pits at Peterborough. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brflyashcsa

 

Paul

 

 

Paul,

 

Thanks for reminding me they are the fly ash wagons.

 

Rangers,

 

To be honest I'm not now certain whether it was on the ECML or the loop line.  Dad had a habit of noting a nearby village/station when he catalogued his images, now and then it is hard to tell if he meant the station (or very near it) or the general area. 

 

I'm not sure if the fly ash trains used the lop line to Sleaford.  The only ones I remember seeing around Peterborough were the ones from Ratcliffe on Soar power station, which could use the Midland line to get there - so it could even be on that line with a wrongly written place name.  I've looked at the other places he went to that day which were all around Peterborough so that's not too helpful.

 

Does anyone know which lines the flyash trains used in 1970?

 

David

Edited August 21, 2016 by DaveF

[The Stationmaster]

Peakirk would presumably have been on the loop as the line passes through the village - unless it also had a station on the mainline route (a quick check on 'Disused station' confirms that it was on the loop.   To anyone who worked in a booking office up until the late 1960s the name would (should?) be pretty familiar as it was a named location in the 'Book of Routes' and was actually a routeing station for ECML tickets (thus making them available via the longer Loop line route as well as the later, shorter, direct line between Peterborough and Doncaster).

[stovepipe]

I'm not sure if the fly ash trains used the lop line to Sleaford.  The only ones I remember seeing around Peterborough were the ones from Ratcliffe on Soar power station, which could use the Midland line to get there - so it could even be on that line with a wrongly written place name.  I've looked at the other places he went to that day which were all around Peterborough so that's not too helpful.

 

Does anyone know which lines the flyash trains used in 1970?

 

David

 

I have a 1970 WTT and yes, West Burton PS - Fletton flyash trains used the Joint Line through Spalding. There were 3 return trips Tue-Fri, 2 on Mondays and 1 on Saturdays. There were also a similar service from Ratcliffe on Soar.

[DaveF]

I have a 1970 WTT and yes, West Burton PS - Fletton flyash trains used the Joint Line through Spalding. There were 3 return trips Tue-Fri, 2 on Mondays and 1 on Saturdays. There were also a similar service from Ratcliffe on Soar.

 

 

Then I think the photo is on the loop line somewhere near Peakirk station.

 

Many thanks.

 

David

[jonny777]

I have a 1970 WTT and yes, West Burton PS - Fletton flyash trains used the Joint Line through Spalding. There were 3 return trips Tue-Fri, 2 on Mondays and 1 on Saturdays. There were also a similar service from Ratcliffe on Soar.

 

 

Yes, the flyash trains were a regular sight on the GN&GE between Spalding and Sleaford from about 1967 onwards (not sure when they started running up the ECML, but they certainly were 10 years later).  A class 40 was not a common loco for that working though, as 31s or 47s seemed to monopolise them when I was sitting by the lineside.

[DaveF]

Morpeth in the 1980s today with everything painted blue, grey and yellow.

 

In those days there was always space in the station car park or on the road leading to the industrial estate.

 

Nowadays the new free car park in the old goods yard is almost always full, as is the station car park which costs £2 per day.  The road is too busy to park on (and is part yellow lined) so sometimes I have to walk for almost 5 minutes to take photos after I have found somewhere else to park.

 

 

Morpeth Class 43 up ex pass Aug 80 C5121

 

 

Morpeth Class 37 up light engine Jan 82 C5616

 

 

Morpeth Class 101 ecs from siding Oct 83 C6318 The siding was removed at the time of electrification.  The stoppers from Newcastle/Metro Centre now rune into the Blyth and Tyne loops while waiting to return.

 

 

Morpeth 474336 Edinburgh to Newcastle mail and pass 25th June 84 C6572  This was diverted via the Blyth and Tyne after a derailment.

 

 

Morpeth up HST passsing Class 101 Alnmouth to Newcastle in up loop 18th April 85 C6825

 

 

Edited to add information.

David

Edited August 22, 2016 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Nostalgia aplenty from Morpeth today. Lovely photos of everything in blue, grey and yellow. That class 37 in the snow in C5616 is showing how snowy that January was after the very cold and snowy December of 1981. And with the roads snowy and iced up, it must have been quite a job to get to the trackside that day.

Then in C6318, there is a good close up of a class 101 unit. You can see the strengthening below the passenger doors on the solebar. I had forgotten all about them!

The HST's look their best in blue, grey and yellow.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[mullie]

It is incredible that the HST is still running after so many years, just shows how good we could be at building trains. Saw one at Bath Spa today on a service from London to Weston super Mare whilst waiting for all stations including request stops back to Weymouth.

[DaveF]

Whilst looking for photos of wagons at Grimsby Docks for another thread I came across these which might be of use to those who have harbours and fishing vessels on their layouts.

 

They were taken in 1963/4 at which time I visited Grimsby several times in Dad's boat, we used to sail down from West Stockwith on the River Trent either for a weekend trip or on our way to somewhere else.

 

The first one is taken from the south side of the Western arm of the Alexandra Dock and shows a distant rake of timber wagons, the one below is an enlarged bit of the image.

 

Grimsby was of course a Great Central Railway port.

 

 

Grimsby timber wagons 1963 JM545

 

 

Grimsby timber wagons 1963 JM545a

 

 

The next one shows the trawler Notts Forest (which of course should really have been named Nottingham Forest) about to enter the locks from the Humber.

 

Grimsby GY 649 Notts Forest 1963 JM0547

 

Now we have a trawler on a slipway in a shipyard at Grimsby.

 

Grimsby GY659 Trueman in shipyard 1963 JM0659

 

David

Edited August 22, 2016 by DaveF

[great central]

There is actually a Notts Forest cricket club. I recall reading somewhere about train crews watching the match while stopped on the bridge over the Trent which is now the Lady Bay road bridge. I can't post a link from my phone but googling it will show that they're still active and a very keen group of sportsmen!

Edited August 23, 2016 by great central

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photos of Grimsby docks. You can see that when wagons are loaded with timber like those in that first photo, that the timber always has to be loaded the same way round. The enlargement gives further clarification. I suppose it is basic common sense.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

On the Great Eastern today with photos at Ingatestone, Church Lane Crossing and Marks Tey from 1975 to 1980.

 

 

Ingatestone Class 47 Liverpool St to Norwich 4th Oct 75 C2466

 

 

Church Lane level crossing Class 37 down ex pass 19th April 75 C1994

 

 

Church Lane level crossing Class 47 Norwich to Liverpool St June 75 C2071

 

 

Church Lane level crossing (south of) 312791 Liverpool St to Clacton 5th May 80 C5057

 

 

Marks Tey 309617 down May 79 C4557

 

 

David

[eastwestdivide]

C4557 - are they destination boards in the centre of the coach sides? and slot-in-able letters towards the ends?

[DaveF]

C4557 - are they destination boards in the centre of the coach sides? and slot-in-able letters towards the ends?

 

 

They are destination boards, 

 

See Clive Mortimore's post below (post7543) for details.

 

Edited to remove an inaccuracy and to point readers in the direction of the right answer.

 

David

Edited August 23, 2016 by DaveF

[cheesysmith]

c4557. a photo of a griddle car in a 309. you always see photos of the driving coach, but a good photo of the griddle car are rare.

[keefer]

Nice to see a Griddle unit in action - and quite a late use I think for destination boards.

Presumably this unit was in a train that split on the down journey? (I forget the details of the services which did this)

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Some very good photos of the GEML today. Classic views of those trains hauled by 47's and 37's, such key locos on those services. The class 312 in the next to last photo shows yet another cab window treatment!

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Clive Mortimore]

C4557 - are they destination boards in the centre of the coach sides? and slot-in-able letters towards the ends?

 

Nice to see a Griddle unit in action - and quite a late use I think for destination boards.

Presumably this unit was in a train that split on the down journey? (I forget the details of the services which did this)

Hi David and all

 

The small holders were for coach letters. I am building a 10 car set at the moment and was wondering how a Walton set would be lettered as I cannot find a clear photo of the last coach in the set. The big question was "I" used or not. A&B were the two car set at the London end, and C,D, E (Buffet) and F were the Buffet/ Clacton (309/2) set. All confirmed by photos. Also confirmed by photos are the Driving Trailer Semi-open Composite and the Non-driving Motor Brake Second as G and H of the Walton (309/3) set. What I cannot find is photos that show if the Trailer Second Open was "I" or "J" and the country end Driving Trailer Semi-open Composite was "J" or "K"?

I have found one photo that shows the country end Driving Trailer Semi-open Composite of a Walton set as coach "A" but for some reason this unit was facing London (the wrong way round), confirmed by the buildings at Shenfield station not being turned round. 

 

As for a Buffet set working on its own at Marks Tey, this was unusual, from memory there were a few mid day 4 car workings. Most down trains until the late 80s were split at Thorpe-le-Soken, with the same station playing host to the up trains being combined. It was normal for the Buffet set to be the London end with or without a 2 car set in front and the Walton 4 car to be the country end. After the 2 car (309/1) sets were increased to 4 car sets and the Buffet cars withdrawn the combinations altered on what seemed a daily basis.

[hmrspaul]

Yes, the flyash trains were a regular sight on the GN&GE between Spalding and Sleaford from about 1967 onwards (not sure when they started running up the ECML, but they certainly were 10 years later).  A class 40 was not a common loco for that working though, as 31s or 47s seemed to monopolise them when I was sitting by the lineside.

 

It wouldn't have been much earlier as they weren't built before 1965 and were part of the MGR revolution.

 

Paul

[david.hill64]

C4557: the only thing that could have improved this shot would have been lined maroon livery. Great to see it as it was though.

[DaveF]

A bit later than usual as I decided to go the Quayside to look at the preparations for the Tall Ships event from Friday to Monday.  No ships yet.  I don't think I'll be driving anywhere this weekend looking at the local restrictions.

 

Back to the iron ore lines around Harlaxton and Woolsthorpe by Belvoir today.

 

One working loco on a special, some dead ones and some views of the lines.

 

 

Harlaxton Quarries Stewart and Lloyds Austerity Jan 69 J1537  The Barclay behind is probably either Denton or Rutland.  The Barclay far right should be Ajax.

 

 

Harlaxton Woolsthorpe Road crossing Sept 70 C341  Hunslet 2413 built 1941 Gunby on a special

 

 

Harlaxton Quarries Gunby with special Sept 70 J2328 Hunslet 2413 built 1941 Gunby 

 

 

Woolsthorpe by Belvoir Quarries BSC Sentinel diesel in shed July 73 J3231  RR10203 1964 Betty   Many thanks to Paul J - Swindon 123

 

 

Woolsthorpe by Belvoir Quarries Ransom and Rapier 490 dragline by trackside July 73 J3232

 

 

Woolsthorpe by Belvoir Quarries Denton Park quarry, Ruston Bucyrus 5W dragline Jult 73 J3233.

Edited August 24, 2016 by DaveF