RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Graham_Muz said: The flag man is looking a little confused #howdidthatgethere Hi Graham, is that a non-working example, or is it a runner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, tomparryharry said: Hi Graham, is that a non-working example, or is it a runner? We have working EPs of both diagrams, I can confirm they are runners, powerful, smooth and quiet, the fully working valve gear is a joy to behold. More details and images on Monday. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Ben Alder said: One was loaned to the Highland during the Great War - how do I justify it staying for some decades ..... It's on the Great Western Highlands Railway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Graham_Muz said: We have working EPs of both diagrams, I can confirm they are runners, powerful, smooth and quiet, the fully working valve gear is a joy to behold. More details and images on Monday. Look forward to the images and info. Was it test on DC or DCC or both? I presume it has a coreless motor due to the space constraints of the boiler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Sadly, the proportions of the windows and their adjacent paneling on the EP sides is complete rubbish. There may be some (possibly unconvincing) glazing engineering reasons for this, but it doesn't ameliorate the fundamental defects in the design. I'm sorry, but the current offering looks awful to me. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted July 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Edited April 2, 2022 by Mikkel 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: Sadly, the proportions of the windows and their adjacent paneling on the EP sides is complete rubbish. There may be some (possibly unconvincing) glazing engineering reasons for this, but it doesn't ameliorate the fundamental defects in the design. I'm sorry, but the current offering looks awful to me. 17 minutes ago, Mikkel said: @Miss Prism I agree. @Mikkel‘s images show just how bad they are. I can’t understand how door and engine compartment windows are so short and don’t line up with the toplights. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Passenger door also looks wrong! Once seen you cannot unsee these things! Khris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said: @Miss Prism I agree. @Mikkel‘s images show just how bad they are. I can’t understand how door and engine compartment windows are so short and don’t line up with the toplights. But unless mine eyes deceive me they don't line up with the toplights on the real one - the glazed area of the window is slightly narrower than the twin toplights above. IMHO comparing the fully painted and decorated full-size item with the plain grey EP model is a little misleading. Granted, the window pillars appear to be a little too wide, especially those to the right, but the window aperture sizes may have been dictated by the need for robust tooling of the toplight frames - getting these to look as fine as those on the real thing may have required tampo printing onto an extended glazed area, maybe not an easy or ideal solution. I'll let Graham comment on that...... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted July 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2021 That’s made my mind up! The window anomaly will be a lot less obvious in the 1903 livery so I’ll order that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted July 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2021 Personally the jury's out on the window pillar width, looking at the prototype the vertical lining close to but not on the edge of the pillars makes them look narrower than they are. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Thankfully thats the whole point of the EP so that it can be changed so fingers crossed it can be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow MRC Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Following receipt of the 1st Engineering Prototypes We have updated the dedicated project page for the GWR Steam Railmotor here https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/144/GWR-Steam-Railmotor We are still in the process of fully evaluating and testing these prototypes, as is the often the case with such a development process we are aware of a few areas that require some attention from the translation of the CADs to tooling (although beware of comparisons between images taken from different angles, perspectives, focal lengths and decoration). Further updates will be made available in due course as the process continues. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kernow MRC Posted July 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2021 For those who would like to see a brief video of the valve gear in action see below 20 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Kernow MRC said: For those who would like to see a brief video of the valve gear in action see below Cor - that is good especially when you consider the size of the components involved although no doubt somebody will moan about it being unrealistic because it's in mid gear. 5 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Cor - that is good especially when you consider the size of the components involved although no doubt somebody will moan about it being unrealistic because it's in mid gear. Just need DCC control of the valve gear............ 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I would agree that the windows on the engine compartment and the vestibule door look slightly wrong. To me it appears to be that they are too short and the panels/ventilators above are too deep. The coal loading hatch is symmetrically distant from all edges of its panel whereas it should have more space above and below (and it looks the right shape). Here is a photo of No.93 at Dereham from a similar angle to the 3/4 view EP. The window tops appear to all be inline in my photo of 93. Apart from that it looks a very impressive model. Edited July 28, 2021 by Darwinian typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Has anyone mentioned this panel line ? 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just for clarity the top of all the total window apertures line up both on the prototype and also the EPs, some of the windows are fitted with either drop lights or sliding windows and therefore have an internal frame that reduced the actual glazed area. the top frame of which on most images of the prototype are in shadow and makes the darker glazed area appear taller, but the frame is there to see if you look closely enough. The EPs when photographed have been illuminated from above and below at the same time as to eliminate such shadows. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 That’s good to know. It did seem an unlikely thing to have got wrong. So much for the old adage “a picture never lies”. I will have to start saving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Try looking at photos of the real things. 93 as "preserved", is not as 92 when running originally. There also seems to be variations between various members of the same diagram. A photograph taken at Slough shows there was no vertical beading below the lower mid line between the Driver's door & the Luggage door on 92 There is however vertical beading from the lower midline to the upper midline, inline with the middle of the two engine compartment windows on No 88 of the same diagram, which is not present on 92. A true minefield Edited July 28, 2021 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 We need someone with the SRM book to get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 We need someone with the SRM book to get involved. They were, the guys from the Steam Railmotor Project at the GWS have advised throughout the project. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted July 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Stubby47 said: Has anyone mentioned this panel line ? Sorry to show my ignorance but there are two different body mouldings (as shown above) for this SRM .I presume this is for different times in its life? Edited July 29, 2021 by rprodgers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, rprodgers said: Sorry to show my ignorance but are there two different body mouldings (as shown above) for this SRM at different times in its life? No two different Diagram types Type R and Type O see here for details https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/144/GWR-Steam-Railmotor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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