Talltim Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 GWR seems to be gradually moving to the PRR idea of Brunswick green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 Just passed the 57 at OOC, does look rather smart with the logos. Very similar to the original GWT 47s. The new logo is quite nice, and I did like the Great Western Railway announcements at BRistol before I left. Just think the coaches need a contrasting colour to the green, a nice Ivory top half of the coach ala GWT would be perfect.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 Ivory or a light cream relief from waistband to just above the windows would look good - even better if Brunswick green was used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Question for Paul - Are the numbers placed on the HST Guards Van door / Or Turbo numbers placed centrally on the front better or worse for Depot Crew? One oddity is that putting numbers on parts that can be removed and replaced easily (like a door) is a bit unusual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 One oddity is that putting numbers on parts that can be removed and replaced easily (like a door) is a bit unusual! 'tis the fundamental difference between artists and scientists Engineering IS a science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 If you had a King, Castle or Star just painted in overall Brunswick Green, it'd look awful. The carefully applied lining, the black smokebox, the copper-cap chimney, the red bufferbeam - all these elements combined together to create the locos we know and (some of us) love. I wonder what they'd look like with a yellow front............? Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I too find it strange about the position of the HST numbers. Front is handy especially in sidings looking front on in a yard. Differences in cant rail colour could be down to painted by different works. Today's NR in hands of all blue locos !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Well I was completely unconvinced by the very dull 166, but the HST looked a treat rushing through Didcot this evening. Something to do with the shiny silver flash of the new cast logos and the long thin silver bodyside streak. I wasn't expecting to like it, but it looks really good at speed. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D1059 Posted September 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Saw this one from one of my contacts on Flickr - looks nice in the sunshine GWR 43188 at Old Sodbury 22nd Sept 15' by LusitaniaD225, on Flickr Edited September 23, 2015 by D1059 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Very nice, Swallow is still my favourite but this is a vey close second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 Best picture I've seen of it yet. Thanks D1059. However its still too dull for me . It needs some relief, I think one or two stripes would have livened it up a bit. If it looks dull in a good day , its going to be very non descript under the usual leaden skies and non existent in dark. Also didn't GNER eventually have to take its cast logos off because of corrosion underneath? Don't we learn anything from history? At least it'll give Hornby another livery for its HSTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hello all, I certainly don't dislike it, but I want to like it more. To me it seems to lack imagination. My favourite of the modern liveries, London Midland, has for me a great balance of colours which work well together and manages to be purposeful but very contemporary at the same time. This livery feels like someone is trying to create a "retro" look. cheers Ben A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 You wanna see the inside ....... RETRO travel ! At least the curtains match ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hello all, I certainly don't dislike it, but I want to like it more. To me it seems to lack imagination. My favourite of the modern liveries, London Midland, has for me a great balance of colours which work well together and manages to be purposeful but very contemporary at the same time. This livery feels like someone is trying to create a "retro" look. cheers Ben A. I think we have probably got used to what I once called 'fairground' liveries (that was when Chris Green went red, white & blue for NSE). I've only seen the dmus in the new GWR livery, including one against the sun, and they looked pretty good - but then I also liked BR maroon when it replace b&c although I hated it on WR diesels, and I never liked BR blue. Colour preference can be a very subjective thing and I'm the first to admit my taste (some will call it bias of course) but I do like the new GW green even if it is the 'wrong' shade. But - like any livery - it will only work if it is kept clean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 If its retro, I like it! The big four companies sounded majestic, the pregroupings, even more so. Everyone knew the colours, the names and where they served. British Railways even, carried a note of grandeur considering the times when it was introduced. Then came Brit Rail, the beginning of the end. Just about every company followed suit to be modern and with it! Trains were something rail, air lines were air something; not much dignity in that! Hopefully the tide has turned and a new era in trains and livery has begun. Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 It looks better than I thought it would when I saw the first images of the 166. I agree with some of the comments above about lack of consistency, with some stripes going / some going \ and some going / \ What is it about FGW and bland power cars though? From a fancy blue-based stripey livery, with plain blue power cars as if they'd forgotten to put the vinyls on, and a logo in a slightly odd position that always looks neither here nor there, ... to a plain green one with a logo that seems slightly oddly positioned, neither on the horizontal or vertical centre line (as far as I can tell from pictures) nor aligned to one end/side. I presume its because that's where it would fit though, allowing for the bolts to pass through the bodyside at suitable places? I can see it very quickly becoming stick-on letters though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 It is genuinely growing on me... dynamic lines was a tough act to follow as it was, to my eye, one of the most successful of the modern corporate identities. I always thought one thing that worked well was the simple treatment of the then dark blue HST Power Cars, with the more exuberant design reserved for the carriages... in a way echoing older practices. I'd be interested to learn what the big GWRs are made from. From recent experiences with chrome effect powder coating in my day job, all that shimmers in the sun is not necessarily metal? The modern image layout I keep pondering might settle on FGW/GWR 'transition' period for a bit of variety.... recognising the fact that I like both...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 It looks better than I thought it would when I saw the first images of the 166. I agree with some of the comments above about lack of consistency, with some stripes going / some going \ and some going / \ What is it about FGW and bland power cars though? From a fancy blue-based stripey livery, with plain blue power cars as if they'd forgotten to put the vinyls on, and a logo in a slightly odd position that always looks neither here nor there, ... to a plain green one with a logo that seems slightly oddly positioned, neither on the horizontal or vertical centre line (as far as I can tell from pictures) nor aligned to one end/side. I presume its because that's where it would fit though, allowing for the bolts to pass through the bodyside at suitable places? I can see it very quickly becoming stick-on letters though... The big disadvantage of stick-on letters is that when the livery changes no one will be able to sell them for - in all likelihood - considerably more than they paid for them brand new. The 'metal' letters, whatever they have made of, will have a good souvenir resale value, in fact for all we know somebody might already be reserving a set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 The big disadvantage of stick-on letters is that when the livery changes no one will be able to sell them for - in all likelihood - considerably more than they paid for them brand new. The 'metal' letters, whatever they have made of, will have a good souvenir resale value, in fact for all we know somebody might already be reserving a set! If they come off in one piece! When there was a fashion for removing VW badges from cars without the owner's permission, someone tried it on my Opel, but they gave up when they realised it was just a bit of flimsy shaped metal that was about to break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty.J Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Saw this one from one of my contacts on Flickr - looks nice in the sunshine GWR 43188 at Old Sodbury 22nd Sept 15' by LusitaniaD225, on Flickr That looks beautiful! I for one love this livery and I hope Dapol do this in N gauge..... Loving the fact that many are going back to retro themed liveries. GWR trying this out, Qantas, Lufthansa, PIA, Air France. etc. having either one or two of their aircrafts appear in retro liveries. Pretty cool I must say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Hi Rusty, I think the retro airliner liveries look great too, but these are one or two vehicles in the fleet selected to reflect the airline's heritage and history. If the new GWR had an exciting contemporary livery but had outshopped one HST set, or perhaps more appropriately maybe a 57 and Mk3 sleeper set, in lined green/chocolate and cream that would've been great. Virgin did it a few years ago recreating the original XP64 livery on a Class 47 among others. But this is a company choosing as its core image a brand that seems to state "modern life is rubbish" (with apologies to Blur!) Having looked again at the livery, and as I said before tried to find things I like about it, I like the shade of green but as others have pointed out it needs something to relieve the full depth colour on the bodysides. The fine grey stripes don't stand out enough, and are broken by the lettering. I also think the lettering looks somehow unfinished - like a student has been playing with font sizes but hasn't properly balanced up the finished logo. I think it needs something to tie the lettering together - perhaps an outline, or some other graphic device. Perhaps a nod to the Merlin livery (was it called that?) with a simple lower bodyside stripe in buff or cream, would go a long way to improving things. cheers Ben A. Edited September 24, 2015 by Ben A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The letters are fixed with security screws...... !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Am I right in thinking the locos / power cars repainted so far are all unnamed? It would be interesting to see if there is something new in terms of nameplate design... PS. noting all the comments about the lack of numbers on the front, how about a cheeky red 'buffer beam' at the bottom of the yellow, with a yellow number shaded in black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes, Ben. It was officially Merlin and unofficially Roadrunner livery! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I've long thought 'Speed to the West' would be a good name for an FGW power car, after the old GWR posters. Maybe now the GWR is back, it'd be even more fitting jo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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