billbedford Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 See previous post but in many respects what you say is spot on. Big question is do I spend almost an hour driving each way using the better part of £5's worth of fuel in each direction (its twisty country roads) then £9 to go into a show which has nothing for me. Almost £20 before I enter the door just to find out if it will suit me. My previous post might answer that I think. In the immortal words of Sir Thomas Beecham: You should try everything once -- except and folk dancing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 ........ It's not about "width", it's about consistency. (Tongue in cheek) I seem to remember hearing something similar down Petticoat Lane years ago, "Don't think about the quality, just feel the width..".. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 In the immortal words of Sir Thomas Beecham: You should try everything once .... ....and if it doesn't kill you first, try it again and see if you like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 There is a former RMWeb participant who, despite being unashamedly a OO modeller, joined the S4 Society and then set about trying to undermine it, particularly by proposing that Scaleforum should be reduced to a one-day show only. We don't hear much from him these days. Well not quite, Dear Heart, I think. That individual, if it's the same individual as the individual you are thinking about, ran the Bring & Buy stall for a few years, and it's only my lack of attendance this year that makes me doubt whether he's still not running it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 As long as the sausages are made to a diameter of 18.83 mm, who cares? How dare you? That wouldn't be a sausage with that kind of diameter, it would be a mere chipolata. They don't even eat those in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Quinoa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 He went under the ID "Metropolitan" and developed a reputation for building locos in record time. That was another aim of his: to take loco kits back to 1970s standards, OO only. No provision for EM or P4. He didn't like today's etched kits, particularly not Finney. But, Herr Pferd, I have to pull you up short once again. Mr Metro actually designed an etched kit for some Metropolitan Railway 4-4-4T. I remember talking to him about it in DRAG. Are we talking sausage again here? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 So. How do we broaden the appeal of S4um as a show/exhibition/interactive display? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 I have been a member of the Scalefour Society for a good number of years. Being a member does not make you a better modeller. Ah, I wondered why nothing was happening all these years. I'll have to ask for my money back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 So. How do we broaden the appeal of S4um as a show/exhibition/interactive display? Mike. No idea, but I'm sure that there's something in this thread that will help. Well not quite, Dear Heart, I think. That individual, if it's the same individual as the individual you are thinking about, ran the Bring & Buy stall for a few years, and it's only my lack of attendance this year that makes me doubt whether he's still not running it? Having now read Chris Foren's contribution earlier, perhaps it is the case that Mr Metro didn't run the B&B this year? Can anyone confirm? Perhaps he's gone off to run a B&B somewhere else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dave Searle Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 Having now read Chris Foren's contribution earlier, perhaps it is the case that Mr Metro didn't run the B&B this year? Can anyone confirm? Perhaps he's gone off to run a B&B somewhere else? On Saturday the B&B was being run by 4 members of the Epsom & Ewell club. I think they were also there for Sunday. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 No idea, but I'm sure that there's something in this thread that will help. Having now read Chris Foren's contribution earlier, perhaps it is the case that Mr Metro didn't run the B&B this year? Can anyone confirm? Perhaps he's gone off to run a B&B somewhere else? I don't think he's had anything to do with it since the move from Leatherhead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 Captain, Mr Armstrong was indeed absent this year. Rod, he did run the B&B the first year we were at Aylesbury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So. How do we broaden the appeal of S4um as a show/exhibition/interactive display? Mike. A topic that is under continual review by the Society and which has been discussed at length on the Society forum. The marketing manager/deputy chairman (Paul Willis, Flymo748) initiated this thread and so no doubt will be pleased to collect any ideas expressed here - quite possibly the views of any non-Scalefour people might throw up some fresh viewpoints which get overlooked from inside the tent as it were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Ah, I wondered why nothing was happening all these years. I'll have to ask for my money back. You may not get your money back, but I'm sure the Society would let you have some vouchers for sausages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think that to try and broaden the appeal it might help to give a greater emphasise on 4mm modelling as whole, the trade support is pretty broad based and pretty much covers all the 4mm gauges, how you could do this I have no idea. People like the Station Master, who had never been before, but was given the nudge by a mate. This year I coerced a mate to attend Scaleforum on the quality of the trade, I think we may have a convert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 But, Herr Pferd, I have to pull you up short once again. Mr Metro actually designed an etched kit for some Metropolitan Railway 4-4-4T. I remember talking to him about it in DRAG. No. And available here: http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Loco_LNER_MetropolitanRailway-H.htm I bought one. Found a few items on the frets of 'insufficient quantity' which Worsley sorted. Cylinder wrapper of dubious profile, no provision for springing or compensation. These are achievable though. Had followed the build on RMWeb with interest. Waiting to get a round tuit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 To me, the S4 Society attempts to promote the aspirations of those who wish to endeavour towards accuracy. Perfection should not be an aspiration as it is not really achievable to the majority; however, endeavours to serve perfection? That should be the goal. Railway modelling which aspires to serve perfection... I need a lie down now... Wibble! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 In the immortal words of Sir Thomas Beecham: You should try everything once -- except ###### and folk dancing. I always thought that the quote was and morris dancing. Again I always thought that the latter was the pursuit of S gauge folk. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Interesting that some people are suggesting that in order to attract more people to a finescale event that it should encompass the hobby generally. I can better that: A colleague of mine sitting at the next desk has suggested if there is a dart board then he might want to come. I've just asked him if is wife might come if there's a knitting circle. It would certainly bring more people in. How about a wine tasting session too? Scaleforum, ExpoEM etc should stick to what they are good at. I have one suggestion though if it's not working from a pound, shilling and pence stance. I SUSPECT (and I do not KNOW) that most attendees are members. If that's the case then £6.00 is a pretty low figure. I know we all want everything as cheap as possible, but £6 is well below exhibitions for other industries or hobbies. Warley NEC at the other end of the scale is, imo, a rip off at 2 and a half times that figure or thereabouts for 20 minutes of breathing in bad bo and then sitting half the day in the pub waiting for the train home. But people DO pay that price. I know it won't be a popular suggestion, but I say raise the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Scaleforum, ExpoEM etc should stick to what they are good which to anyone with half a brain , is essentially the same thing , the promotion of 4mm railway modelling in the correct sense , whats even more strange is that EM is now supporting a kind of p4 EM the merits of an 00 society can be debated, but 00 is a somewhat lost cause and what happens is really dictated by the major rtr manufacturers. But to me , there is very little difference between EM and P4 is terms of basic aspiration and in reality had the EM gauge society reacted quick enough it should have encompasses the p4 movement , which it now is trying to do ENGS intro line We are a UK based international society created to promote and cater for railway modellers working to a scale of 4mm/ft with a track gauge of 18.2mm. We also cater for modellers working to the more demanding Protofour (P4) standards with a track gauge of 18.83mm. The society encourages the use of fine scale standards and provides support and resources to promote this. Scalefours intro The Scalefour Society caters for the needs of railway modellers working to the scale of 4mm/ft (1:76.2), the most popular of the British model railway scales. It promotes and encourages the use of effective modelling techniques and fine scale standards among all 4mm railway modellers with a particular emphasis on the use of scale wheels and track. This web site contains a great deal of information for all modellers and is a showcase for the Society. It also contains our Forum, where you can read about many aspects of finescale modelling. I mean you couldn't put a fag paper of difference between those intros I dont offer this argument without reason, firstly it allows a single society , stronger then each of its constituents to reach out to 00 modellers, ( its natural hunting ground ) , its allows efficiency of the various shops , and potentially allows a bigger and better attended set of specialist exhibitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I know it won't be a popular suggestion, but I say raise the price. that will pack the aisles , surely the issue isn't profit , its attendance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I know it won't be a popular suggestion, but I say raise the price. I know where you are coming from with that suggestion but as it's a society show that is already subsidised by it's members I don't think that would be the answer. I'm one of those that doesn't mind that subsidy as I think the show is a benefit of membership. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete55 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 . I SUSPECT (and I do not KNOW) that most attendees are members. If that's the case then £6.00 is a pretty low figure. I know From what I know, in broad terms, attendance at Expo Em's tends to be in the order of one third members to two thirds non members, and suspect Scaleforum would be similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 This thread is really cooking on gas, isn't it? The show's over, unfortunately there aren't that many photos of the actual show up there (but thanks to those who did), but the debate is still going on and on. What larks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 A common perception, and I stress perception, is that the emphasis of the finer scale orgnisations is on track standards and mainly that. What is missed is that to go with that and make it effective in the overall layout concept is that the other things, scenery, rolling stock, locos, signals and so on and so on, also need to be of a high standard. The builders of finescale layouts want every item to be of a high standard, at S4m last weekend that was very largely achieved. Just using finescale track on an 'ordinary' layout does not achieve that. A close look at the stock running on some layouts revealed that much had a proprietary base and had been well treated, but ... also the layout scenery and detailing had been done to a high standard. Yes, in the past there was, and still is in a few corners, much harping on track standards to the exclusion of all other aspects. It is that legacy imho that still bedevils the view of many an r-t-r modeller. How one overcomes that I don't know. But one thing I do know as an OO modeller is that events like S4m give me much pleasure and ideas, I learn new things and can talk to the builders about them. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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